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darkjedidave
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djsmnc
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 Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: SeaWorld Trainer Killed by Killer Whale |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/02/24/killer.whale.trainer.death/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Its the third death the whale has caused, and he's still being used like a pet. Hard to feel too sorry |
I agree, who can feel sorry for some fish like that? I say kill it now before it hurts someone else! |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| It's enclosure is twice it's size. I read it was like a human being kept in a cell 9ft*9ft. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a reason they're called Killer whales. Unpredictable temperament. Like all wild predators. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty sure the government is to blame for this. Maybe even the Israeli government. |
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nautilus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ideally we need to move away from the treatment of animals as entertainment and their incarceration in zoos for public amusement.
There should come a new era when we appreciate other life as it is meant to be, in its own natural environment. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: SeaWorld Trainer Killed by Killer Whale |
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| darkjedidave wrote: |
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/02/24/killer.whale.trainer.death/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Its the third death the whale has caused, and he's still being used like a pet. Hard to feel too sorry |
Second, not third. And the first was caused by the person's own stupidity. He hid in the park until it closed and then climbed into the tank with a large and dangerous animal.
As for the trainer, those are the risks faced. Just as with a lion tamer, you face the risk of being killed every time you interact with a much larger, faster and more powerful animal. I'm sorry for her family, but this was the risk she choose to run. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I went to the CBS News website and stories about this were 4 of the 5 most read stories (the other being Kelly Ripa's new tattoo).
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1. Tilikum Trainer Had to be Pulled From Jaws
2. Kelly Ripa Unveils New Tattoo
3. SeaWorld Staff Saw Tilikum as Dangerous
4. 12,000-Pound Whale Kills SeaWorld Trainer
5. Dawn Brancheau Pictures: People Watched In Horror As SeaWorld Trainer Was Killed in "Shamu" Show
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http://www.cbsnews.com/ |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry for her family's loss, but there are hazards with every job. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| I'll bet the trainer was an enthusiastic Obama supporter. |
I don't understand.... whales support Palin? |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
Ideally we need to move away from the treatment of animals as entertainment and their incarceration in zoos for public amusement.
There should come a new era when we appreciate other life as it is meant to be, in its own natural environment. |
+1
free willy! |
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hagwonnewbie
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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After watching "The Cove", I am more sympathetic towards the plight of dolphins and whales in captivity.
It's a well directed documentary regardless of your position on the issue. I recommend downloading it. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Live by the whale, die by the whale. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Back in the 1990's someone was awarded the Darwin Award for a particular year for swimming with a Killer Whale and getting killed. |
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Arthur Dent
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Urban Myth wrote:
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| Second, not third. |
The article posted does not say so but this is the same whale involved in the death of a trainer at Victoria BC's Sealand, which closed after the incident.
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| Tillikum, now almost 30 years old, was moved to SeaWorld from Sealand of the Pacific near Victoria in 1992, six months after being involved in the death of 20-year-old trainer Keltie Byrne. |
http://www.canada.com/technology/Killer+whale+kills+trainer/2608174/story.html
If you want to see whales, see them in their natural habitat. Go out on a whale watching boat with professional naturalists. Guidelines have become quite strict in recent years, and they continue to be improved. Swimming with them while they are in captivity is simply foolish.
Although there has only been one suspected attack on a human in the wild, their size alone suggests we accord them a healthy respect, and freedom from captivity. I have seen them nearby whilst diving, and other friends have seen them close up while working underwater. One felt the effect of their sonar, as the whale identified him. Fortunately not as prey. He said it was a humbling experience.
These are very group oriented animals. They hunt in groups; even the Transient mammal-eating variety often cooperate. They play and rest in groups. There is some evidence that captivity may lead to mental imbalance. In any case, for such social animals, with a huge natural territory, captivity is surely cruel.
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| There's a reason they're called Killer whales. |
Actually this is a mistranslation. The original name - other than Orca Orcinus (Greek for "God of the Underworld") - was Whale Killer, for the Mammal-eating variety's penchant for feeding on other whale species, such as Grey Whales.
For an historical eye-witness account of this see Laurens van der Post's book "On Being Someone Other."
The variety found in captivity are exclusively of the fish-eating sort. Apparently feeding time would not be as palatable to the public if it were to consist of seal pups, birds, sea lions and elephant seals, etc. which I've seen in the wild.
The fact that there are differences in diet (and that there are different groups) was not well understood until the 1960's (possibly early 70's) when a captured whale in a netted off bay refused to eat for over 60 days. They were offering fish. Eventually, someone threw a few weight belts over the net pen and the whale escaped. |
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