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hiddenflask
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
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 Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: actual consequences of midnight run status? |
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hi, i've already searched the forum and haven't found the answer i'm looking for...i'm done with my year of teaching, but i foolishly agreed to work for a month with no visa (i decided to go ahead and beat myself up about this since someone else will if i don't) and so immigration says i've only been teaching 11 months, as it says on my a.r.c. card that i started in april. to the point:
my boss and i are not on good terms.
my fear is that she will call immigration and report me for a midnight run after i've left the country with the plane ticket that they (not i) purchased for me. so i'm wondering what the actual consequences of this status would be...some say you just can't come back till your visa runs out and some say you can't come back for 5 years but i haven't actually seen anything official stating any of this. korea's immigration website is a mess and feels like it was written by someone who majored in how to use english to convey absolutely nothing.
i like korea and i want to come back. is there anything i can do if my boss does screw me over? can't i just turn her in for hiring me and 2 other teachers illegally? (they still work there) |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Bottom line: she will get fined (slap on the wrist) and then told not to do it again. You will be deported possibly and fined and it will be on your record, I am assuming connected to your ARC since that is one thing that is supposed to be constant.
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| after i've left the country with the plane ticket that they (not i) purchased for me |
If she bought you the ticket, then I don't understand how they expect you to work. Doesn't the ticket have your flight date? How is this arranged? I can't quite see how they got you a ticket and you can leave early, yet they expect you to be here for one more month.
Even if that gets clarified, your contract could have been mutually canceled. I would go ahead and leave. The only thing she can do is what she is supposed to do, report you are no longer working for her school to immigration. Then, your visa will be canceled, but if you hand in your ARC card at the airport, then it is supposed to be canceled at that time as well.
I don't know if they will raise a stink at the airport or let you board your plane if they see you have 1 more month on your ARC card. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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What is your last work day according to your contract?
What was your first work day according to your contract?
These are the things that determine your 1 year status.
It is quite common for contract dates and ARC dates to differ. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Just go...I left early a couple of years ago and just came back soon after my (old) visa expired. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: actual consequences of midnight run status? |
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| hiddenflask wrote: |
hi, i've already searched the forum and haven't found the answer i'm looking for...i'm done with my year of teaching, but i foolishly agreed to work for a month with no visa (i decided to go ahead and beat myself up about this since someone else will if i don't) and so immigration says i've only been teaching 11 months, as it says on my a.r.c. card that i started in april. to the point:
my boss and i are not on good terms.
my fear is that she will call immigration and report me for a midnight run after i've left the country with the plane ticket that they (not i) purchased for me. so i'm wondering what the actual consequences of this status would be...some say you just can't come back till your visa runs out and some say you can't come back for 5 years but i haven't actually seen anything official stating any of this. korea's immigration website is a mess and feels like it was written by someone who majored in how to use english to convey absolutely nothing.
i like korea and i want to come back. is there anything i can do if my boss does screw me over? can't i just turn her in for hiring me and 2 other teachers illegally? (they still work there) |
As long as your standing with immigration is OK (you did not overstay your ARC) there are NO consequences of pulling a runner (even if you do burn them for the plane ticket).
The only caveat is that you will not be allowed to get a new visa (e2) until your old ARC has expired. |
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hiddenflask
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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ok, just to clarify, i'm not actually pulling a midnight run. i finished my contract and moved out of my apartment,etc. the school bought me a ticket and we've agreed on the date i leave.
but it's interesting, the replies to this post are exactly what i'm talking about. one person says i'll get deported and fined and someone else says nothing will happen. i understand that you can come back after your visa/a.r.c. expires, but from what i hear, that's only if they didn't report you to immigration. everyone talks about this supposed 5 year period. is there anything solid out there on this? like a link to something on immigration's website? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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hiddenflask,
Just so you know, ttompatz knows a lot about these things. If someone says something different you think, then either go with what he says or try to find out why the other person said what they said.
No, you personally won't get deported. However, you (as in anyone) will most likely be fined and possibly deported if immigration finds you working illegally at a hagwon. The point I was making was that the hagwon owner just gets a slap on the wrist, and they hire a new teacher following the rules. The teachers found to be in the "wrong" are simply discarded and not considered.
This was in response to your original post where you stated:
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hiddenflask
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| @lifeinkorea, thanks for clarifying. it's not that i'm not thankful for the help offered on this forum, but often it's difficult to determine who knows what they're talking about. if the 5 year thing isn't true, then where did this all get started? i'm not worried about being deported, i'm just worried about re-entry and trying to get a new visa in the future. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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I don't think the 5 year thing is for leaving the country as you are doing. I think it would be for something more serious like drug dealing. That is just my guess. Being 5 or 7 years seems arbitrary. Maybe someone just thought a decade was too long for restricting someone from coming back, so they cut it in half. In the end immigration would decide, and it's different for different immigration offices.
You may have to visit the Korean Embassy in your home country. I have heard about that as well. |
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kingasiatic88
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: Re: actual consequences of midnight run status? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
there are NO consequences of pulling a runner (even if you do burn them for the plane ticket).
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how true is this? i really don't know anything about this but a hagwon doesn't have any recourse if you burn them for a plane ticket then come back later? won't immigration notify them if you come back and then they will come looking for their money in the middle of the night or something horrible like that? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| hiddenflask wrote: |
but it's interesting, the replies to this post are exactly what i'm talking about. one person says i'll get deported and fined and someone else says nothing will happen. |
No one said that you'd get deported for leaving early (pulling a runner). What they said was that you could get deported for working without a work visa. i.e. if you report to the government that you employer employed you before you had a work visa, then you would be incriminating yourself and admitting to having worked illegally. THAT could get your deported. DON'T go that route.
Immigration will do nothing to you if you leave early. The only things that they care about are that you don't OVER stay your visa, and you don't work without a work visa. If you had been charged with some kind of crime and were awaiting trial or something like that, then of course they aren't going to let you flee the country. But your employer can't hold you in the country for breaking a contract (it's your right to leave if you want).
BUT, don't take the word of anyone on a public forum for such things. Call the local immigration office to be sure about the law. Make an anonymous call from a pay phone. Or call the foreigner help line (there's a sticky thread on that) to ask for info.
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Troglodyte
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