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Ekin



Joined: 21 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Impossible to get an E2 Visa, should I give up? Reply with quote

Hello everyone Smile
I came back from Korea a month ago, I fell in love with the country and its people. After thinking a lot, I decided I want to live and work in Korea so I started looking for jobs. I asked many friends about job opportunities and they said teaching English is a really good option. Since I have about 4 years of teaching experience I decided to give it a go....unfortunately.... I am not eligible for an E2 visa because I hold a passport from another country.

I am pretty sure the authorities don't care that I've been to an American school (in a foreign country) all my life and that I speak English when I'm home. They might also not care that I will have a bachelors degree in 2 months(again, american university, but this time in Boston), all because I do not hold an american/canadian/etc passport.

Is this it? Do I give up? I'm almost certain that the answer is a yes. I am just looking for suggestions since I want to live in Korea.
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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just curious what country is your passport from?

Also, you could try to get a job with a company doing something besides teaching English. That way you could get a work visa.
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Ekin



Joined: 21 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Peruvian passport.
I want to mention that I do no look Peruvian (I think it's important...at least in Korea).
I will get a BS in Economics, so I could probably look for a job related to this, the only problem is that I have no experience in Economics-related jobs Confused
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matthews_world



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you wouldn't qualify.

Try JET program in Japan or Westgate works with unis and academies.

Do some research and check the international job forum.

Or you could get your Master's in your field there and do some uni teaching.

At least in Japan you'd be at Korea's doorstep and be able to take vacations here.
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can possibly teach spanish.....there is demand for spanish, german, etc. language hagwons. I think it might be legal.


There is the under the table option....but you didn't hear me say that.
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Impossible to get an E2 Visa, should I give up? Reply with quote

Ekin wrote:
Hello everyone Smile
I came back from Korea a month ago, I fell in love with the country and its people. After thinking a lot, I decided I want to live and work in Korea so I started looking for jobs. I asked many friends about job opportunities and they said teaching English is a really good option. Since I have about 4 years of teaching experience I decided to give it a go....unfortunately.... I am not eligible for an E2 visa because I hold a passport from another country.

I am pretty sure the authorities don't care that I've been to an American school (in a foreign country) all my life and that I speak English when I'm home. They might also not care that I will have a bachelors degree in 2 months(again, american university, but this time in Boston), all because I do not hold an american/canadian/etc passport.

Is this it? Do I give up? I'm almost certain that the answer is a yes. I am just looking for suggestions since I want to live in Korea.
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I'm not trying to put a damper on your goal but trying to give you some realistic advice. It's one thing to 'love' a country you've visited, another thing altogether to work in it. Korea's the 6th country I've taught English in (my home country, two European countries, Taiwan and Japan) and I have found it the hardest place I've ever lived and worked in despite being a person who adapts easily to other cultures - this has been acknowledged by my employers, workmates and students.

Visiting Seoul and hanging out there for a while is certainly a great antidote to the places I've lived in and live in re Korea. But I don't work there, and being in Seoul/other places in Korea on vacation is very different from living and working there. I'm not being unfair when I say that what was a very dodgy English market in the 90s and until about pre mid 200s is now problematic in different ways.

Gone is the employee's market that used to exist because most of the people working in Korea now as English teachers would not have gone before the economic problems of their home countries made it difficult for them to enter or continue in the home workforce. Most people are in Korea to earn some money, it's not the place many of them would choose to be in if Japan had as many jobs, if Taiwan had a system whereby those with no teaching degree could get public school jobs, and if China was more developed.

Personally speaking I find Korea the most xenophobic country I've travelled to or lived in. I don't expect others to hold this opinion. However, it's common for foreign English teachers in Korea to have the same attitude. In fact I've met company employees who are non Korean and don't teach English and they think the same way.

Korean society generally produces attitudes towards non Koreans that are a mix of feelings of insecurity, national inferiority complex because Korea was never a player in world history because of its own cultural bent towards isolation and hostility to outside influences, and deep resentment of and unwillingness to move on from its period as a colony of Japan.

Mix in an education system under right wing dictators from the 40s to the 90s that educated Koreans in all sorts of myths of Korea's marvellous achievements, superiority and inventiveness and you can understand why many Koreans do not handle dealiing with non Koreans at all well. More confident countries and people do not see the need to continually praise themselves and claim to be so important on the world stage despite in Korea's case, clear evidence of the opposite. Rolling Eyes

Throw in a tendency to even now teach Korean students a racialist based theory of 'blood' and innate superiority in the education system, which explains a lot of why Korean govt bodies and politicians spend time on giving credibility to organisations that in other countries would be listed as hate groups or fringe groups, and there you have why some basic aspects of Korean life are not pleasant to be around.

I enjoy my job and I like the Koreans I work with, like my students and have fairly pleasant experiences a lot of the time. But the problems I listed above are very real in Korea, they can be frustrating to deal with and they also influence visa conditions for English teachers. Contract conditons are going down the dumper - most of us are working more hours for conditions and pay that were better around 3 or so years before. Public schools were once better places to work than hagwons (private after school institutions) but they seem to be going backwards in some places and there are and will be more budget cuts to English programs.

As for working in a company - that's usually harder to get and it's harder work in terms of hours and dealing with all sorts of Korean attitudes to heirarchies and working norms. Whether you like it or not your Peruvian background will be seen as a factor that is not necessarily positive. You certainly will not be considered for an E-2 visa and personally I think you may be disillusioned going from vacationer to worker in Korea.

Despite what another poster said, I am not sure if you could teach English in Japan either with your background. The Japanese have knowledge of Peru because for a while they had a program for Peruvian descendants of Japanese to go there and work at 3D jobs. Their image of Peruvians is that of people who come from undeveloped countries. Not being offensive, just saying it like it is.
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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Impossible to get an E2 Visa, should I give up? Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
Ekin wrote:
Hello everyone Smile
I came back from Korea a month ago, I fell in love with the country and its people. After thinking a lot, I decided I want to live and work in Korea so I started looking for jobs. I asked many friends about job opportunities and they said teaching English is a really good option. Since I have about 4 years of teaching experience I decided to give it a go....unfortunately.... I am not eligible for an E2 visa because I hold a passport from another country.

I am pretty sure the authorities don't care that I've been to an American school (in a foreign country) all my life and that I speak English when I'm home. They might also not care that I will have a bachelors degree in 2 months(again, american university, but this time in Boston), all because I do not hold an american/canadian/etc passport.

Is this it? Do I give up? I'm almost certain that the answer is a yes. I am just looking for suggestions since I want to live in Korea.
Crying or Very sad



Personally speaking I find Korea the most xenophobic country I've travelled to or lived in. I don't expect others to hold this opinion. However, it's common for foreign English teachers in Korea to have the same attitude. In fact I've met company employees who are non Korean and don't teach English and they think the same way.

Korean society generally produces attitudes towards non Koreans that are a mix of feelings of insecurity, national inferiority complex because Korea was never a player in world history because of its own cultural bent towards isolation and hostility to outside influences, and deep resentment of and unwillingness to move on from its period as a colony of Japan.

Mix in an education system under right wing dictators from the 40s to the 90s that educated Koreans in all sorts of myths of Korea's marvellous achievements, superiority and inventiveness and you can understand why many Koreans do not handle dealiing with non Koreans at all well. More confident countries and people do not see the need to continually praise themselves and claim to be so important on the world stage despite in Korea's case, clear evidence of the opposite. Rolling Eyes

Throw in a tendency to even now teach Korean students a racialist based theory of 'blood' and innate superiority in the education system, which explains a lot of why Korean govt bodies and politicians spend time on giving credibility to organisations that in other countries would be listed as hate groups or fringe groups, and there you have why some basic aspects of Korean life are not pleasant to be around.




For a second there, I thought you were talking about the USA and a lot of western countries..... Rolling Eyes
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Ice Tea



Joined: 23 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Impossible to get an E2 Visa, should I give up? Reply with quote

Ekin wrote:
Hello everyone Smile

Is this it? Do I give up? I'm almost certain that the answer is a yes. I am just looking for suggestions since I want to live in Korea.
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My god, where do all these people come from? Is it really so terrible back home that people are willing to abandon their families, leave their friends, live in a moldy tiny apartment, for $18/hr?
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hwarangi



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could look into doing your Masters here. That student visa allows you to work part-time. Also, it is possible to get scholarships. There are plenty of non-native speakers working at all kinds of companies that way.
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Impossible to get an E2 Visa, should I give up? Reply with quote

Honda Civic put those quotes of mine in bold to reject them and I will respond.

Personally speaking I find Korea the most xenophobic country I've travelled to or lived in.

You're seeking an argument that will go off topic so I won't be responding apart from - the above opinion is mine and it is shared by many non Koreans who have travelled and lived elsewhere.

Don't take it personally and as I always say to Koreans, in Korea and abroad, curb your talking about drug dealing, child molesting foreigners bringing Aids to the land of the highest IQ.

Those things get no respect from the rest of us and in fact contribute to making you look like laughing stocks esp when your own society has a lot of social problems like the low age of consent, downlow gay activitiy because of denial of gay/ bi behaviour and the normality of paid sex for married men.

Korean society generally produces attitudes towards non Koreans that are a mix of feelings of insecurity

Yes this is often the big sticking point for foreigners. It produces many encounters with 'Why you hate Korea?' over trivial things, lectures on how Koreans invented almost everything, how Koreans have suffered more than anybody else, and are also not recognised for their invention of most things, their genius and their high IQs.

These are not the harmful attitudes I mentioned before but they certainly do show insecurity, and often from Koreans I thought were more educted than that.

Throw in a tendency to even now teach Korean students a racialist based theory of 'blood' and innate superiority in the education system, which explains a lot of why Korean govt bodies and politicians spend time on giving credibility to organisations that in other countries would be listed as hate groups or fringe groups

Yes the Anti English Spectrum certainly couldn't exist with Government approval as the Anti Korean (or put any other group's name there) Spectrum in western democracies. As you seem to never have noticed, western countries have had to absorb often rapidly as in the UK's case, people from countries and cultures completely different in a relatively short space of time.

Many groups exist to promote multiculturalism with Govt approval and taxpayer funding. In Korea groups that feel threatened by non Koreans who mostly can get one year visas at a time get the Govt approval. They even have a say in policy making.

In the US Koreans and everybody are free to live in their own enclaves if they prefer and I haven't heard of any Koreans regularly being identified as a threat to Americans and having new visa laws enacted against them because of the human trafficking operations and visa violations that regularly come up as being a problem among certain Koreans.

And when you consider how few foreigners are in Korea and how limited their legal rights and permission to stay are yet there is so much media bashing of them and racist groups pi3sing in the Govt's ear about them, then that just proves what many of us say about Korean attitudes that are promoted as normal.

That's the end of my response to Honda Civic.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, for what it's worth I want to point out I've taught in Korea (Seoul) and 100% disagree with everything earthquakez says. Korea is a great place to live and work. I actually think the opposite of him/her, I would never visit Korea for tourism but in terms of living/working it's better than anywhere else I've ever traveled. I could go over the benefits but I'm sure you already know them. Keep in mind on these forums most of the people are worn out and bitter ESL teachers that are constantly negative towards those who come here seeking answers and this thread is no different.

Korea is a great place to be, unfortunately I don't think you qualify for an E2 but if you loved it here when you visited, you will definitely love living/working here. If I didn't like it so much I wouldn't be here, plain and simple. Just giving you a second opinion, something Dave's needs more of with all of the negativity flooding the place.
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earthquakez



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you found a new job yet? I recall most of your posts the last few months were about posting atrocious contracts you were offered and asking us if they were okay. Then finding out yet another school you thought you were going to work at was in effect a bottom ranked exploitation factory. How's the job hunt going? Smile
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
OP, for what it's worth I want to point out I've taught in Korea (Seoul) and 100% disagree with everything earthquakez says. Korea is a great place to live and work. I actually think the opposite of him/her, I would never visit Korea for tourism but in terms of living/working it's better than anywhere else I've ever traveled. I could go over the benefits but I'm sure you already know them. Keep in mind on these forums most of the people are worn out and bitter ESL teachers that are constantly negative towards those who come here seeking answers and this thread is no different.

Korea is a great place to be, unfortunately I don't think you qualify for an E2 but if you loved it here when you visited, you will definitely love living/working here. If I didn't like it so much I wouldn't be here, plain and simple. Just giving you a second opinion, something Dave's needs more of with all of the negativity flooding the place.
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earthquakez



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truly - I hope you didn't sign any of those dreadful contracts you asked for help with. Smile Are you even in Korea now? In January this year you said you were going home. Just wondering.

I recall a thread where you asked for help in taking the train to Daejon, how to buy a ticket etc. Check out the E Bo Young Talking Club if it's still there. I met a person a few years ago who worked there and they sound a lot like you. They had an 'interesting' time. Good luck!
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Ekin



Joined: 21 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all of your answers.
As for the E2 Visa, I know I'm not eligible.

minos:
I am aware of under the table options, but I don't want to go there without a job. I want to have a job secured, and yes, I could teach Spanish, unfortunately I've only had 1 year of experience teaching Spanish to 25~60 year olds.

earthquakez:
It's not that I just love the country. I also have a Korean girlfriend and we've been together for over 3 years already. One of my primary objectives is to learn the language. I know a lot about Korean culture, trust me Smile I'm also aware that sometimes, some things seem unfair. As for the Peruvian background, I know that is a problem. Attaching a picture to a resume or an application will help me there (racism in Korea...I know, sad but true).

Ice Tea: I know I am leaving behind a huge house in Peru. Or my nice apartment in Boston, but this is very important for me.

hwarangi:
Probably one of the best solutions, but that means I would need to apply now. I will consider that.

I still welcome all suggestions and comments, be it bad or good.
As I said to minos, I could teach Spanish, but I couldn't find anything in Google, just people saying things like "I want to work in Korea teaching Spanish"
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