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darrenjzy



Joined: 26 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: working for 2 hagwons Reply with quote

I read in the FAQ about working for 2 hagwons. It's from 2003 and some of the links don't work. I was wondering if the law is still the same?

I am being offered a contract where I am sponsored by one school, but they want me to work at another school 2 days a week.

There was nothing in the contract about this. Should I be concerned?

Thank you
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: working for 2 hagwons Reply with quote

darrenjzy wrote:
I read in the FAQ about working for 2 hagwons. It's from 2003 and some of the links don't work. I was wondering if the law is still the same?

I am being offered a contract where I am sponsored by one school, but they want me to work at another school 2 days a week.

There was nothing in the contract about this. Should I be concerned?

Thank you



If you are on an E-2 visa you must get permission from Immigration to work at two hakwons...it will be in writing on the back of your card or a stamp.

Do not believe your director about anything he says about having got permission already...it must be placed ON your Alien Registration Card.

Otherwise it's illegal and if caught you are facing possible fines and maybe deportation...it seems to be up to the discretion of the Immigration office(r) assigned to the case.

That's why there's nothing in the contract about it. A copy of the contract must be sent to Immigration and nobody with any sense is going to send a contract with clauses in it that violate Immigration visa policy.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: working for 2 hagwons Reply with quote

darrenjzy wrote:
I read in the FAQ about working for 2 hagwons. It's from 2003 and some of the links don't work. I was wondering if the law is still the same?

I am being offered a contract where I am sponsored by one school, but they want me to work at another school 2 days a week.

There was nothing in the contract about this. Should I be concerned?

Thank you


The rules are the same.

You still need immigration to add the additional workplace on your ARC.

It is not difficult as long as the 2nd hagwon is licensed and legit.

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darrenjzy



Joined: 26 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, this is something that should be in the contract or do I just have the name and address of the second school with me when I get my ARC?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darrenjzy wrote:
So, this is something that should be in the contract or do I just have the name and address of the second school with me when I get my ARC?


you need a 2nd contract,
business registration from the 2nd school,
Letters of permission from both schools,
schedules, hours and expected pay from both schools,
application to add a 2nd workplace (from immigration)
your ARC
your passport
60k won fee

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miljeong



Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny story. Immigration's very own paperwork all ADVERTISES clear and concisely that simply 'permission' from immigration to work at a second workplace is all that is required, and upon noting the fact on your ARC card, it should have no problems.

One of my school's teachers who I gave an E-2 visa wanted to work an additional location. The same immigration officials who just told me the other day that the F-2(S) visa doesn't exist (even though it clearly does), told him that it is impossible and illegal.

He blew them off and decided to try a different location all while working there anyway. An immigration official came by and caught him working there and through the fallen debris of the aftermath, all that came of it was:

* No deportation
* 4,000,000won fine divided 15/25 to teacher and NEW location respectively

They also ended up just weighing the complexity of statelessness and ignorance to the policies and all agreed together to just give him a new visa for the new school only.

I never got a fine or anything. I can't tell if that's because he was already semi-trying to update his visa or not. Probably so.

Either way, don't believe the spook stories people.* Deportation is not the first method of punishment for teachers breaking the law.

And although a little off-topic, Korean investigators work like traffic cops in America-- they have a yearly or seasonal quota and these 'raid seasons' where they are supposed to crack down on random things. This makes total sense to anyone whose lived in Korea long enough to know cops don't do anything and yet they're always in the papers arresting and deporting someone. If it's not your season, you're not leaving.



(*Once again, don't forget that I, my assistant principle, and the second workplace director all speak fluent Korean and were cordial enough to all visit immigration together to handle any problems.)
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darrenjzy



Joined: 26 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting story and great info. Thank you.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miljeong wrote:
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Either way, don't believe the spook stories people.* Deportation is not the first method of punishment for teachers breaking the law.

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No one said it was. It does happen though and to say it doesn't is just irresponsible. I've been here nearly ten years now and I personally know several people who've been deported for that. Just about every long-timer can tell you a similar story.

Like I said, it all depends on the particular office or officer handling your case. Some people have been deported, some people have been fined, some people have been let off (after pleading ignorance and groveling).. Each Immigration office seems to have wide latitude in dealing with each specific case.
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
miljeong wrote:
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Either way, don't believe the spook stories people.* Deportation is not the first method of punishment for teachers breaking the law.

.)



No one said it was. It does happen though and to say it doesn't is just irresponsible. I've been here nearly ten years now and I personally know several people who've been deported for that. Just about every long-timer can tell you a similar story.

Like I said, it all depends on the particular office or officer handling your case. Some people have been deported, some people have been fined, some people have been let off (after pleading ignorance and groveling).. Each Immigration office seems to have wide latitude in dealing with each specific case.


Gotta agree with TUM on this. I know about 7 people (in my 10+ years) who got the boot and fined.
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miljeong



Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it happens sometimes too, but I'd like to say it's the exception more than the rule. In fact, I'm pretty sure it depends on the severity of the crime and the arrogance/lack of Korean ability of the parties involved.
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