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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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 Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:50 am Post subject: Dokdo claim/travel ad |
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Someone put this ad up in time square today. It's a 30 second ad advertising the fact that Dokdo is Korea and that you should go visit there. I went to Dokdo is 2009 as part of an EPIK excursion. Ulleungdo was fantastic, beatufiul and tranquil!!!! Dokdo, some 90 minutes via boat are some rocks with trees planted on them. We were limited to this large cement area to walk on, which was covered in seagull fecies to look and we went home. I was kind of dissapointed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQX-1TFCHU |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I think that better analogies might have been:
Falkland Islands are part of the United Kingdom.
The Southern Kuriles are part of Russia. |
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rickpidero
Joined: 03 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: visit |
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I do want to go visit eventually. It's something you need to do while here, like visiting the DMZ.
Also, this seems like act of paranoia, which isn't too surprising. Does anyone actually know Japans stance on this? Or, better yet the international communities take on this? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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political statement disguised as a travel ad
"beautiful island" 
Ulleungdo is indeed beautiful. Dokdo are a couple of rocky islets. |
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BigLarry
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: Anywhere there is wine.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I think I better visit this 'beautiful island' after such a persuasive scrabble inspired argument.
By the way, does anyone know a shop that stocks the British Union flags? |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: visit |
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| rickpidero wrote: |
| Does anyone actually know Japans stance on this? Or, better yet the international communities take on this? |
The Japanese government has a claim on it (them actually, since it's two seperate rocks) and legally recognises it as part of one of their prefectures (I don't remember which one off the top of my head) it all has to do with mineral rights, both countries believe that there are either oil or natural gas deposits around the "islands/rocks" and due to international laws they'd have sole rights to said resources if ownership of the islands is international recognised, which of course they shouldn't be, because they can't support an ecosystem (you can look up the legal distinction between an island and a rock if you care), in the end it probably isn't going to matter, at the present rate of water and wind erosion the rocks probably won't exist (or won't be a sufficient size) in 50 years or so, unless the Koreans start shipping in dirt and rock to maintain it, but I guess the Welsh did a similar thing to legally make their highest peak a Mountain back in the day (watch "The Englishman that went up a hill but came down a mountain" for a dramatisation(sp?) of the story) so you never know.
On a side note, I think North Korea also has a claim on these islands |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: visit |
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| crisdean wrote: |
| it all has to do with mineral rights, both countries believe that there are either oil or natural gas deposits around the "islands/rocks" |
Maybe not.
I was chatting with a Korean naval submarine officer in 2003 (his sub was being refitted in Jinhae when I was in Geoje) and he said the issue of Dokdo is HUGE in terms of territorial rights for national defense, as a nation has the right to access and control of the territorial waters around its land. If Dokdo is Japanese it seriously extends their sphere of control.
Fishing and other economic advantages are beside the point, he said. |
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jiberish
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: visit |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| crisdean wrote: |
| it all has to do with mineral rights, both countries believe that there are either oil or natural gas deposits around the "islands/rocks" |
Maybe not.
I was chatting with a Korean naval submarine officer in 2003 (his sub was being refitted in Jinhae when I was in Geoje) and he said the issue of Dokdo is HUGE in terms of territorial rights for national defense, as a nation has the right to access and control of the territorial waters around its land. If Dokdo is Japanese it seriously extends their sphere of control.
Fishing and other economic advantages are beside the point, he said. |
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8 years down
Joined: 16 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I've always wondered how many little Japanese children run around telling foreigners that Dokdo (or the Japanese name for it) is Japan.
I'd bet it's zero. Why is this? |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 8 years down wrote: |
I've always wondered how many little Japanese children run around telling foreigners that Dokdo (or the Japanese name for it) is Japan.
I'd bet it's zero. Why is this? |
Because the Japanese are masters of international political trolling and they don't need to mouth off. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| 8 years down wrote: |
I've always wondered how many little Japanese children run around telling foreigners that Dokdo (or the Japanese name for it) is Japan.
I'd bet it's zero. Why is this? |
Are you asking us why you bet it's zero? Because if you are asking us why it's zero, you'd have to show some more proof that it is zero than just an opinion.
And seeing as how Dokdo is claimed as Japanese territory in schoolbooks, you're still sure zero Japanese children would tell you it's Japan's?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/251_28977.html |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he meant that zero japanese kids run around telling foreigners that dokdo is japanese. |
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AustSaint
Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Location: Yongmun
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it is Takeshima in Japan, I remember the local prefecture which claims it had a Takeshima day. It was a little bizarre, it is nowhere near the issue that it is in Korea. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Dokdo has historically been considered a part of Korea, however Japan claimed Dokdo when they annexed Korea in the early part of the century. After World War II, Dokdo was given back to Korea by General MacArthur. I think the Japanese claims to Dokdo are pretty arrogant and actually bizarre. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Dokdo has historically been considered a part of Korea, however Japan claimed Dokdo when they annexed Korea in the early part of the century. After World War II, Dokdo was given back to Korea by General MacArthur. I think the Japanese claims to Dokdo are pretty arrogant and actually bizarre. |
What's bizarre is that either nation thinks the rest of the world particularly cares about their petty dispute. Koreans trying to educate foreigners about this matter is just shocking. Work it out with the Japanese guys.
This is even more true for the whole "East Sea" thing. Call it whatever you want in Korean, but in English, it's the Sea of Japan, and telling us what we should be calling that sea in our language is pretty ridiculous. |
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