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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: Sound Familiar? |
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The California man who opened fire last night outside the Pentagon was a property rights extremist who railed against the government's ability to "confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception," and wanted to "eliminate the role of the government in education."
In a recorded manifesto called "Directions To Freedom", the audio of which he posted online in 2006, John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."...
Bedell also denounced the monetary system, a frequent bete noir of anti-government extremists. "When the government can control how private property is used," he said, "and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail."
Bedell even railed against the concept of public education. "Government control of the schools that shape minds is pervasive in today's world," he said. "The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit." He denounced public education as "no more legitimate than a government-run church for universal religious training."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pentagon_shooter_praised_private_property_rights_d.php?ref=fpb
First the guy in Austin, now this one.
If it weren't against the TOS, we could have a poll rating which poster here has the best chance of being #3. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| He's pretty literate for a nutcase. I kept expecting you to quote Gingrich. No, its all him. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Do you not think it could be emblematic of massive disaffection with govt policy?
Anyway, there's no point trying to have a conversation with you if you are just going to close your ears and shout ad homs. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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What part of
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| That government is best which governs least |
don't you understand? |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Sound Familiar? |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."... |
I'm pretty sure communal living was a basis for humanity at one point, and that was probably pretty successful. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sound Familiar? |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The California man who opened fire last night outside the Pentagon was a property rights extremist who railed against the government's ability to "confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception," and wanted to "eliminate the role of the government in education."
In a recorded manifesto called "Directions To Freedom", the audio of which he posted online in 2006, John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."...
Bedell also denounced the monetary system, a frequent bete noir of anti-government extremists. "When the government can control how private property is used," he said, "and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail."
Bedell even railed against the concept of public education. "Government control of the schools that shape minds is pervasive in today's world," he said. "The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit." He denounced public education as "no more legitimate than a government-run church for universal religious training."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pentagon_shooter_praised_private_property_rights_d.php?ref=fpb
First the guy in Austin, now this one.
If it weren't against the TOS, we could have a poll rating which poster here has the best chance of being #3. |
Ontheway attacked the pentagon? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
What part of
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| That government is best which governs least |
don't you understand? |
The part wherein the logical conclusion of the statement is that the best possible government is one which makes a single trivial law which affects no one in any way at all, simply so that it can exist and be "a government" for purposes of the principle. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
What part of
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| That government is best which governs least |
don't you understand? |
The part wherein the logical conclusion of the statement is that the best possible government is one which makes a single trivial law which affects no one in any way at all, simply so that it can exist and be "a government" for purposes of the principle. |
Yea, taking literally that phrase doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
What part of
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| That government is best which governs least |
don't you understand? |
The part wherein the logical conclusion of the statement is that the best possible government is one which makes a single trivial law which affects no one in any way at all, simply so that it can exist and be "a government" for purposes of the principle. |
Yea, taking literally that phrase doesn't make a lot of sense. |
Nor does it when you take it out of context which is that the government should strictly adhere to upholding the Constitution. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
What part of
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| That government is best which governs least |
don't you understand? |
The part wherein the logical conclusion of the statement is that the best possible government is one which makes a single trivial law which affects no one in any way at all, simply so that it can exist and be "a government" for purposes of the principle. |
Yea, taking literally that phrase doesn't make a lot of sense. |
Nor does it when you take it out of context which is that the government should strictly adhere to upholding the Constitution. |
But I don't think the government should strictly adhere to upholding the Constitution. So I guess I'm left still not understanding. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Sound Familiar? |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The California man who opened fire last night outside the Pentagon was a property rights extremist who railed against the government's ability to "confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception," and wanted to "eliminate the role of the government in education."
In a recorded manifesto called "Directions To Freedom", the audio of which he posted online in 2006, John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."...
Bedell also denounced the monetary system, a frequent bete noir of anti-government extremists. "When the government can control how private property is used," he said, "and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail."
Bedell even railed against the concept of public education. "Government control of the schools that shape minds is pervasive in today's world," he said. "The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit." He denounced public education as "no more legitimate than a government-run church for universal religious training."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pentagon_shooter_praised_private_property_rights_d.php?ref=fpb
First the guy in Austin, now this one.
If it weren't against the TOS, we could have a poll rating which poster here has the best chance of being #3. |
Pointless and nasty. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Sound Familiar? |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The California man who opened fire last night outside the Pentagon was a property rights extremist who railed against the government's ability to "confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception," and wanted to "eliminate the role of the government in education."
In a recorded manifesto called "Directions To Freedom", the audio of which he posted online in 2006, John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."...
Bedell also denounced the monetary system, a frequent bete noir of anti-government extremists. "When the government can control how private property is used," he said, "and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail."
Bedell even railed against the concept of public education. "Government control of the schools that shape minds is pervasive in today's world," he said. "The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit." He denounced public education as "no more legitimate than a government-run church for universal religious training."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pentagon_shooter_praised_private_property_rights_d.php?ref=fpb
First the guy in Austin, now this one.
If it weren't against the TOS, we could have a poll rating which poster here has the best chance of being #3. |
Pointless and nasty. |
That's ya-ta boy in a nutshell. Sounds familiar indeed. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| These guys take the "Army of One" line as literally as the Constitution |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Sound Familiar? |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The California man who opened fire last night outside the Pentagon was a property rights extremist who railed against the government's ability to "confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception," and wanted to "eliminate the role of the government in education."
In a recorded manifesto called "Directions To Freedom", the audio of which he posted online in 2006, John Patrick Bedell, of Hollister, California, praised private property as "the most successful basis for structuring society that humanity has ever known."...
Bedell also denounced the monetary system, a frequent bete noir of anti-government extremists. "When the government can control how private property is used," he said, "and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail."
Bedell even railed against the concept of public education. "Government control of the schools that shape minds is pervasive in today's world," he said. "The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit." He denounced public education as "no more legitimate than a government-run church for universal religious training."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pentagon_shooter_praised_private_property_rights_d.php?ref=fpb
First the guy in Austin, now this one.
If it weren't against the TOS, we could have a poll rating which poster here has the best chance of being #3. |
Pointless and nasty. |
So, this story hits and what you think is, how clever would I look if I beat my ideological opponents on this message board over the head with this terrorism?
You trying to score points, Ya-Ta?
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I see many of the usual suspects were quick on the trigger and posted their applications for nomination in my imaginary illegal poll.  |
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