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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Seems to me:
30-34 25
Master's 20
Master's obtained in korea 5
sufficient korean skills 20
35 million or less income (it seems) 5
integration program 10
85 points
The real key is being 30-34 with great korean skills. That's over half your points right there.
With only a bachelor's its nearly impossible to do it unless you've got the most amazing job ever.
30-34 25
bachelor's 10
sufficient korean skills 20
integration program 10
volunteer 2 years 5
if you were making over 100 mil you could do it
or if you were on an E-series that somehow qualified as a specialist you'd get 5 for that, and 5 for income giving you 80.
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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The real key is being serious enough to do anything you need to get the extra points.
Btw, are you saying you have 85 points now? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: |
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The real key is being serious enough to do anything you need to get the extra points.
Btw, are you saying you have 85 points now? |
No just pointing out that it wouldn't be an insane stretch to get 85 points
If you're here for more than a couple years many people have talked about getting a master's, just do it from a Korean university
If anyone really wants the visa they need to hit the korean study and a master's and that would just about cover it if they can wrap it up in the 25-34 range.
Any idea what the integration program is? |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| If anyone really wants the visa they need to hit the korean study and a master's and that would just about cover it if they can wrap it up in the 25-34 range. |
Ah I see. Yea, my thoughts exactly. My Canadian friend who has been here for about 10 years already got his Masters from a Korean university. I would encourage him to try for this too just for proof of concept, but he is already married to a Korean -_-;
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| Any idea what the integration program is? |
It's just a series of classes that are mostly taken by foreigners who marry Korean men. Although I have no reference for this just yet (I will find out more next week), my intuition tells me it's real simple stuff like "How to get a bank account" and "How to take care of your newborn in Korea" etc.
I'm sure theres some "What to do when Korean men stalk you" section too. heheh. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: |
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It's just a series of classes that are mostly taken by foreigners who marry Korean men. Although I have no reference for this just yet (I will find out more next week), my intuition tells me it's real simple stuff like "How to get a bank account" and "How to take care of your newborn in Korea" etc.
I'm sure theres some "What to do when Korean men stalk you" section too. heheh. |
35-39 only drops back down to 20 points, so you've got a pretty big window, 25-39 to do it.
that integration class doesn't seem right. If they're married to Korean men, they wouldn't need this visa. It must be a different class. if its the same one, it'd be a little weird, but sounds like 10 easy points. |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| that integration class doesn't seem right. If they're married to Korean men, they wouldn't need this visa. |
If you're suggesting that they probably have some OTHER classes in there mixed in as well, I'd have to agree, but if my memory serves me, it is little more than a series of classes you take (with no score involved at all) meant to educate you on life in Korea. There was a booklet put out by immigration a few years ago describing all the classes and I read like 2 pages and threw it aside thinking "I'll never need this class".
Although I could be mistaken, I think it's the same one. And yes, as you said, if that's all it is it DOES sound like an easy 10 points. In fact, I'm counting on it being an easy 10 points. |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the informative post.
You seem to be in the know about this, so I have a few questions if you don't mind -
1) Do you know what the specific Korean language proficiency requirements are to get 20 points? (I'm assuming that it's passing level 6 of the S-TOPIK - but perhaps immigration has their own language proficiency test that you must also pass. There is no oral component on the TOPIK.)
2) Is there any way at all to "negotiate" extra points (perhaps based on years of stay in Korea, a special award, etc.)?
Thanks. |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| raewon wrote: |
1) Do you know what the specific Korean language proficiency requirements are to get 20 points? (I'm assuming that it's passing level 6 of the S-TOPIK - but perhaps immigration has their own language proficiency test that you must also pass. There is no oral component on the TOPIK.)
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It's the S-TOPIK, so it's not the normal TOPIK test I heard. But according to all the immigration officials I have spoken to recently, it is the S-TOPIK and only the S-TOPIK they refer to for Korean proficiency.
The lack of any other information could be stemming from the fact that I always speak to immigration in Korean and thus they assume I won't have a problem. Maybe if I ask them in English, they'll tell me something else?
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2) Is there any way at all to "negotiate" extra points (perhaps based on years of stay in Korea, a special award, etc.)?
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I was wondering the same thing myself, considering I've worked with the police in Korea for almost 3 years now, and I kind of wanted to see if that would give me a free 30 points-- so far I've heard nothing but "although that won't help you point-wise, we may be able to give you an F-2 visa for that by itself.".
So yes and no.
'No' in that the points are given for what was listed on that chart ONLY, but 'Yes' in that, if you're not trying for the F-2-S, but rather the F-2-5 or other F-2 series visa (as I'm sure most holders of F-2 and F-5 visas will tell you) negotiating is pretty much the only way to GET it in the first place. |
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shannon.sgc
Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: Hi Miljeong, please contact me |
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I'm the English Editor at the Seoul Global Center and I'm writing an article about this topic for next week's Korea Herald and I'd like to interview you, if you don't mind. You look like you've done a lot of research on this topic, so I'd like to include you in the article. Since I haven't written at least 25 posts on this site, I can't PM you. Can you email me directly [email protected] with your contact info?
Thanks! |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Age: 25/25
Education: 30/35
Korean Language: 20/20
Yearly Income: 6/10
Volunteering: 0/10 (I went once or twice.. how do they measure this?)
Additions: PhD in Korea +10, Overseas work (again, I have no idea how they determine this) +5
Penalties: 0
Bringing me to about 96 points when I graduate this summer.
Just curious: Does anyone have details about the social integration program? What is it? How long is it? etc. etc.
The language ability score is set up in such a way, I believe, that it can be easily evaluated by immigration officials. If they wanted a specific TOPIK score, they would have just made that part of the criteria (also, a good TOPIK score, much like a good TOEIC score, doesn't necessarily ensure 'good social interaction skills in Korean'.
It's also interesting how little the penalties affect your score. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Miljeong, please contact me |
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| shannon.sgc wrote: |
I'm the English Editor at the Seoul Global Center and I'm writing an article about this topic for next week's Korea Herald and I'd like to interview you, if you don't mind. You look like you've done a lot of research on this topic, so I'd like to include you in the article. Since I haven't written at least 25 posts on this site, I can't PM you. Can you email me directly [email protected] with your contact info?
Thanks! |
Sorry for the o/t: Not to make light of your efforts, but your whole message sounds like:
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| I have to write an article but I can't be bothered to actually do the research myself, so can you do it all for me so I don't have to waste my time doing it? k thx |
If you're doing an article about this, I REALLY hope that you contact immigration directly and get the real facts about this process.. anything less is a disservice. (and, we are talking about the Korea Herald, which will publish pretty much anything, sooo... ) |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: May 13th, 2010 - 35 pts (+0) |
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So i've already visited immigration and signed up for the Social Integration Program.
As I had assumed, it's a workshop/lecture style class that mostly wives of Korean men take for the free Korean language learning aspect of it.
It comes in several different packages based on required hours of completion, the most being an absurd 250 hours I heard.
For my purposes I was told the difference is completely based on the level of class taken, and for my level of Korean proficiency (highest) I would only need to take a 50 hour class.
This month I haven't received my promised confirmation message via cell phone showing the dates/times/location of said class so I will be visiting immigration again within the next week or two to check things again.
Also, my visa is now solid, however I just moved my own school to a new address and I had a run-in with this district's patrolling Ministry of Education officers who informed me they weren't happy about the wording of my school's name.
Worst case scenario is that I have to change my school's name and address, but I sure hope that doesn't reset my visa length (I'm guessing it shouldn't as long as the owner stays the same).
I'll keep working hard for this as I just reinvested a large sum of money and time into the next year of running a school here so I'm not going anywhere people!
Keep this thread on your lists and I'll keep you posted! |
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shannon.sgc
Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, thanks for your concern, i've already been in touch with Immigration. I simply wanted to interview miljeong about his trials of applying for the visa. |
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toonchoon
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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volunteering is not illegal for those on an E-2. i hate when i read something that look "legit" only to realize that the person is wrong about something, and probably wrong about the rest of the crap they posted too.
unless you're 100% sure, don't post bullshi+. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| volunteering is not illegal for those on an E-2 |
Not it isn't, but if your volunteering involves language instruction at all (like say teaching poor kids) you want to be absolutely sure you've got paper work to indicate as such. Otherwise they're not really going to buy it. |
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