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Dragoon
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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I can tell you from personal experience that they have NO INTENTION of allowing foreigners who are NOT married to a Korean to ever get an F2 or F5 visa (and I was told as much straight to my face by the immigration office after trying for several years to obtain said visa).
I would GLADLY eat my words if anyone from here who is NOT married to a Korean EVER obtains an F2 or F5.
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One of the stories linked above states that only two people had applied for the F2 point visa and both had received it.
Do you want ketchup with it? |
I read the stories and didn't see any reference to any successful applicants who were NOT of Korean heritage
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I do have personal experience trying to apply and flat-out being told to my face by MORE THAN ONE immigration office in both the Suwon and Mokdong immigration offices that it would never happen in my lifetime.
If anyone has been/is successful I take my hat off to them and would be MORE than a little bit interested in hearing first hand about it.
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I'm gonna have to go with tom on this one. Koreans aren't gonna hand that kind of freedom over to any waygook...hell freakin' no. The only reason they hand over the F visas to guys like me is because they know that if I flew the coop...my kids would become a financial burden to society...so they grudgingly will give a waygook some freedom..which is the lesser of 2 evils.
But you single dudes.....why the hell would they want to give you that kind of freedom if they don't have to....makes no sense to me or them. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: |
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I read the stories and didn't see any reference to any successful applicants who were NOT of Korean heritage
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I do have personal experience trying to apply and flat-out being told to my face by MORE THAN ONE immigration office in both the Suwon and Mokdong immigration offices that it would never happen in my lifetime.
If anyone has been/is successful I take my hat off to them and would be MORE than a little bit interested in hearing first hand about it.
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| This may also be the reason that the visa has still not been widely advertised. In fact, since the visa was introduced, there have been only two applicants � both of which were successful � many expats said they simply did not know about the visa. |
Where does it say either of those applicants were Korean?
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| and I was told as much straight to my face by the immigration office after trying for several years to obtain said visa) |
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| Introduced on Feb. 1, the visa was created to �enhance convenience and improve (the) environment for highly skilled global human resources living in Korea,� Seok Dong-hyun, commissioner of Korea Immigration Service, said in an e-mail. |
You're apparently confused. This is a brand new visa, so whatever you were told before Feb 1, is frankly immaterial. I don't believe immigration has time machines. |
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Dragoon
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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I read the stories and didn't see any reference to any successful applicants who were NOT of Korean heritage
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I do have personal experience trying to apply and flat-out being told to my face by MORE THAN ONE immigration office in both the Suwon and Mokdong immigration offices that it would never happen in my lifetime.
If anyone has been/is successful I take my hat off to them and would be MORE than a little bit interested in hearing first hand about it.
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| This may also be the reason that the visa has still not been widely advertised. In fact, since the visa was introduced, there have been only two applicants � both of which were successful � many expats said they simply did not know about the visa. |
Where does it say either of those applicants were Korean?
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| and I was told as much straight to my face by the immigration office after trying for several years to obtain said visa) |
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| Introduced on Feb. 1, the visa was created to �enhance convenience and improve (the) environment for highly skilled global human resources living in Korea,� Seok Dong-hyun, commissioner of Korea Immigration Service, said in an e-mail. |
You're apparently confused. This is a brand new visa, so whatever you were told before Feb 1, is frankly immaterial. I don't believe immigration has time machines. |
Keep fighting the good fight bro.... Korean immigration will not give you what you want though...sure they may entice you to do some volunteer work and study at their universities..thats money in the bank for them. But believe me....when it comes time to hand out that visa..they will have another hoop for you to jump through. Like tom said..you'll never get that visa...waygooks don't mean a thing here. Hell I got one of those F-visas that you covet so much..and my status to the average Ajosshi is the same as yours. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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You're apparently confused. This is a brand new visa, so whatever you were told before Feb 1, is frankly immaterial. I don't believe immigration has time machines. |
No, I am not confused. There has always been an option (on the books) for a foreigner who met certain criteria to apply for and obtain an F2cor and eventually an F5 visa.
Those criteria included:
5 or more years of residence in Korea on the SAME visa.
Fluency in Korean
Stable employment history
No criminal or derogatory record on file in Korea or your home country
"seen as a benefit to Korean society"
and that last one was (and still is) the catch all phrase for denial.
Unless your name happens to be Gus Hiddink or Hines Ward (that 1/2 Korean -1/2 black US football player who won the Superbowl MVP) or you are married to a Korean it isn't going to happen.
I jumped through all their hoops for the better part of 5 years AFTER meeting the 5 year residence requirement and was still told that it would never happen (even if it did exist on the books) by several officers in 2 different immigration offices.
In that article (farther up the page from your quote) the reference was made to a 4th generation Korean (on an E2) who either was applying for or had applied for the F2-7 (only 3 generations removed qualify for F4). There were NO specifics about the other one.
.I wish any applicants well but the chances of successful application are about the same as a snowball in hell. My trials and tribulations in this matter were documented here starting a few years ago and ending this year (April) when I finally decided to choose a different place to go and play.
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Keep fighting the good fight bro.... Korean immigration will not give you what you want though...sure they may entice you to do some volunteer work and study at their universities..thats money in the bank for them. But believe me....when it comes time to hand out that visa..they will have another hoop for you to jump through. Like tom said..you'll never get that visa...waygooks don't mean a thing here. Hell I got one of those F-visas that you covet so much..and my status to the average Ajosshi is the same as yours. |
Never said I was trying to get an F2 points visa, but thanks for coming out.
Tom said he didn't know any non-koreans that got one, I just pointed a story that said 2 people got them and didn't say they were Korean.
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| In that article (farther up the page from your quote) the reference was made to a 4th generation Korean (on an E2) who either was applying for or had applied for the F2-7 (only 3 generations removed qualify for F4). There were NO specifics about the other one. |
The reference to him stated he only had 36 points, obviously he wasn't one of the applicants. I recommend you give the whole thing a read. He intends to apply in the future, it doesn't reveal the nationality of the 2 successful applicants at all.
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| Having giving up on the F-4 visa � he is a 4th-generation Korean; the eligibility for the F-4 visa is 3rd generation � Hong is now hoping to eventually qualify for the F-2-7 visa. His current point total is 36 of the required 80. In order to ramp up his points, he is studying Korean at a hagwon and is looking into other areas where he may improve his score. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Lots of speculation.
Anyone with a high-enough point score going to apply in the near future?
My graduation date is in the beginning of August, so that's when I'll be going to immigration to apply... so far it seems like I may be the first to try under this new regulation.
I will also document my attempt. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: |
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so far it seems like I may be the first to try under this new regulation.
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again..above..at the time that story was written, 2 applied, both successful. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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It almost seems like it would be easier and more practical to get the F5. This is from kimi. If you have the f2, the f5 is still better. So getting the F5 right off the bat makes more sense.
The person who has been longer than 5 consecutive years in Korea (F-5-A)
Eligible
o The person who has stayed longer than 5 consecutive years in Korea as Intra-Company Transfer (D-7), Corporate Investment (D- , Trade Management (D-9), Professor (E-1), Foreign Language Instructor (E-2), Research (E-3), Technological Guidance (E-4), Special Profession (E-5), Specially Designated Activities (E-7), or Residency (F-2) visa status
o A major according to Korean civil law
o The person who has ability for his/her family's livelihood, and is well behaved
o The person of culture for continuous living in Korea
o The person who applicable by visa status
Document requirements
* ※ Items subject to change depending on individual circumstances. Common documents
- Passport
- A photo (size: 3.5Cm * 4.5Cm)
- Alien registration card (if you have)
- Passport and foreign registration card
- Application form
- Reference form
- Fee (revenue stamp 50,000won, but who entered without visa or who aren't registered yet should pay 10,000won additionally)
* Documents by status of sojourn
(E-1) Criteria � A recommendee by the president of his/her university
� Level 3 or higher in Korean language test by KICE(Korea Institute for Curriculum & Evaluation)
Required documents � A letter of recommendation written by the president
� A written recognition for Korean language test
(E-2) Criteria � Yearly income should be more than 3 times of last year's GNI per capita by the Notification by the Bank of Korea
� Level 3 or higher in Korean language test by KICE(Korea Institute for Curriculum & Evaluation)
Required documents � degree
� Withholding slip of earned income or certificate of income
� A written recognition for Korean language test
(F-2) Criteria � Yearly income should be more than last year's GNI per capita by the Notification by the Bank of Korea
� Level 5 or higher in Korean language test by KICE(Korea Institute for Curriculum & Evaluation)
Required documents � Withholding slip of earned income or certificate of income
� A written recognition for Korean language test
※ Overseas Chinese who was born in Korea is exempted from income and Korean language conditions. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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After 3-4 years, they might be in this position:
Master's 20
In Korea 5
Social Program 10
Volunteer 2 years 5
Income 5
For a total of 55 points
This means they need to make a total of 25 points on age and Korean ability.
if they haven't hit 30, they've got 20 points in age alone. Korean ability is barely a factor. |
By my count, 20+5+10+5+5 is 45, not 55. So 45 plus 25 for age is only 70, making Korean lagnguae a BIG factor. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
After 3-4 years, they might be in this position:
Master's 20
In Korea 5
Social Program 10
Volunteer 2 years 5
Income 5
For a total of 55 points
This means they need to make a total of 25 points on age and Korean ability.
if they haven't hit 30, they've got 20 points in age alone. Korean ability is barely a factor. |
By my count, 20+5+10+5+5 is 45, not 55. So 45 plus 25 for age is only 70, making Korean lagnguae a BIG factor. |
Woops, not sure what I counted twice there. Language still isn't a huge factor. You only need 10 points which is a topic level 3. if you're serious about staying here long term to get that kind of visa, I'd hope you'd want to have that level of communication, especially since unlike most other F2s, you wouldn't have a spouse to help you navigate the more difficult things.
Getting a doctorate seems to be somewhat common (we had a thread awhile back where several peopled mentioned they were currently doing so) and that would give you 10-15 more points depending on whether or not it was from a Korean school or not, and cover you with no language requirements.
If you wanted the absolute minimum I guess you could make a choice between language study or getting a PhD. If you'd worked at whatever they consider an "overseas specialist" for 2 years before coming here, your language requirements could be nothing more than a topik level 1 without a PhD. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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Hopeuflly I'll have a decent level, not sure about reading and writing. I have a spouse, he's just not Korean.
I should have two MAs by the time I apply. So that should help and I'll look into doing volutneer work. But honeslty, it looks like going straigth for the F5 is easier. Problme is you need 3 times the GNI, which is around 27 k usd, which means three times is about 60 mil won.
DO you happen to have the link to the doctorate thread? The search isn't working , agian.
I hope the overseas specialist would count. I was one in China and also in Peru. Had 4 years uni teaching in Peru, though became Peruvian during that time and no longer needed a visa. So I'm not sure if that would count.
BUT, PhDs are usually four to eight years, right? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Right, I meant a non-native korean spouse or no spouse.
an extra masters will help, are you doing one of them at a korean institute?
if your overseas specialist work counted and your age range was right, you'd be fine.
2 masters, 1 in korea 30 points
age 25
social integration course 10
volunteer 2 years 5
specialist 2 years 5
income 5
total 80
if you could score a topik level 3 that'd give you a lot more wiggle room if something didn't line up, like say the specialist or voluneteer work. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Right, I meant a non-native korean spouse or no spouse.
an extra masters will help, are you doing one of them at a korean institute?
if your overseas specialist work counted and your age range was right, you'd be fine.
2 masters, 1 in korea 30 points
age 25
social integration course 10
volunteer 2 years 5
specialist 2 years 5
income 5
total 80
if you could score a topik level 3 that'd give you a lot more wiggle room if something didn't line up, like say the specialist or voluneteer work. |
First MA was from Spain, nearly 4.5 years later I've yet to have my degree in hand since they made a mistake on it. Took them 1 year to read my theis, 11 month to give me my degree mistakes and all, and hopeuflly by the summer I'll have the corrected version. Second MA should be from Deakin in NZ. Simply becuase I'm in Suwon and can't get up to the MA programmes in Seoul on time.
So age would be 25
MA 25
salary 7
then I'd have to take the course for 10
learn Korean for 10
take Korean for 1
and do volutneer for 5.
total would be 83. I still think the f5 is much easier.
Depending on whether I'm a specialist, I could get 5 more as well. Not sure what a specialist is though |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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The age thing is really funny to me, as if they want people with experience and Ph.D's it seems the 30-40 age group should be the most valuable.
If they count each degree with those points, maybe I could be at 80..but I thought they only would take the highest degree one had, so an MA at 20 points meant your other undergrad degrees were valued at no points. I have 3 undergrad degrees, though my B.Ed should be considered more like a master's level as you need an undergrad to have one.
About the F-5, the reqs for those of us with F-2-1 is wrong. I don't need level 5 Korean. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:19 am Post subject: |
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The age thing is really funny to me, as if they want people with experience and Ph.D's it seems the 30-40 age group should be the most valuable.
If they count each degree with those points, maybe I could be at 80..but I thought they only would take the highest degree one had, so an MA at 20 points meant your other undergrad degrees were valued at no points. I have 3 undergrad degrees, though my B.Ed should be considered more like a master's level as you need an undergrad to have one.
About the F-5, the reqs for those of us with F-2-1 is wrong. I don't need level 5 Korean. |
Well the 30-34 is the most valuable range according to them (marrying age?)
and if you went straight into a PhD, I guess you could finish it up by about 30. If you stopped to work a few years that's different, your higher age would be offset by the points from the PhD. They only give the extra points for having multiples of your highest level, but it does give a max for each category. If you had a masters and two bachelors, I don't know if you could talk an extra 5 points out of them or not. |
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