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panicman
Joined: 27 Feb 2010
Location: United States
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 Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:23 am Post subject: Recruiters? Any insight... |
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I am trying to decide what recruiters to work with:
Education Adventure
Acclipse
Dreamworks
These are a few that I have spoken with...Does anyone have other recruiting company suggestions. I am looking at teaching in Seoul.
Are public schools in Seoul that much better than private schools? What should I expect. Thanks for your insights. |
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miljeong
Joined: 07 Mar 2010
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| You want a recruiter you can trust? I'll get you a job. |
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T-Bone
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: Yongin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Miljeong,
If you are serious about hooking up jobs, and not just for the OP, please PM me (I can't PM yet). I am a serious teacher. PM me for details. Thanks! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Please let me repeat an old post of mine.
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Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares?
A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.
REPEAT: A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.
Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr Hakwon owner.
Mr. hakwon owner, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.
-You are not paying them anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get here.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get here.
Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.
Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.
Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.
Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.
When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.
1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...
The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.
No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.
Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.
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caro188
Joined: 27 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: recruiters |
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I would recommend going straight to the schools. My boyfriend and I have been working with so many recruiters who all want to call us internationally!
Sally at UBC consulting has bee great thus far! Definitely don't go with Gone 2 Korea, they are a waste of time. Goodluck! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: recruiters |
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| My boyfriend and I have been working with so many recruiters who all want to call us internationally! |
Either they call you IDD or use something like skype and make the call computer to computer for free.
When dealing with a recruiter NEVER pay for anything except:
a) the preparation of your documents and
b) a one time fee (postage) when you send them to Korea.
c) your actual visa application fee when you go to the consulate.
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panicman
Joined: 27 Feb 2010
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the advice. I have been in contact with multiple recruiters and I have been researching schools. It seems that I have found one that is presenting good jobs that I am interested in. Thanks again. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Tom must have a hate on for a recruiter for some crap job.
Recruiters can help in many areas of a job search.
1. What schools that are good or bad.
2. Help you with negotiating.
3. Advise you on what locations are nice.
and so on....
Most are crap, some are good. Find the ones who are genuinely interested in helping you find a good location. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
Tom must have a hate on for a recruiter for some crap job.
Recruiters can help in many areas of a job search.
1. What schools that are good or bad.
2. Help you with negotiating.
3. Advise you on what locations are nice.
and so on....
Most are crap, some are good. Find the ones who are genuinely interested in helping you find a good location. |
not a case of hate for any recruiter or job... just a bit over simplified statement of truth.
A recruiter / head-hunter / whatever you care to call them is NOT your friend.
They are an introduction to a job and in spite of any assistance they may give you they ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU.
Their first loyalty (if any) lies with the school. Keeping you somewhat happy makes their relationship with the school a lot easier. They DON'T do it out of any loyalty to the job-hunter.
Using a recruiter is like hunting for an apartment.
You look at lots of agents to see what they have to offer - pick the few that have something you would like to see more of; then, AFTER LOOKING AT THE APARTMENT(s) (due diligence) you choose the one best suited to you.
The analogy is very similar to using a recruiter from afar.
Checking it out is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Do NOT depend on the recruiter to tell you, "1. What schools that are good or bad."
They don't, "2. Help you with negotiating." for you. They may (MAY) take any counter offer or contractual request back to the employer/school but being the errand boy is NOT negotiating on your behalf.
They certainly can't really,"3. Advise you on what locations are nice." How would they know? Many of them have never been out of their office (and I have personally known many in my time here who fit that description."
Take it for what it's worth but use your OWN GOOD JUDGMENT when looking at any "deal" you get offered from anyone.
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banjois
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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Everything ttompatz is saying is valid, but don't mistake a wariness of recruiters as a reason to dislike them. They're neither good nor bad. They're just middlemen trying to make a buck. The recruiter who got me my first job here (which I'm LOVING) seemed totally sketchy, but I'm glad I stuck with him despite my initial misgivings. He just happened to have a fantastic position open up after the first few terrible ones he tried to foist on me. Which, good on him, he just has to put somebody into a position. If you can't be bothered to do your research it's your own fault for landing in a bad situation. Don't blame the recruiter for just doing his job, which has NOTHING to do with making you happy.
I would recommend Rowan at ESL-Planet. He didn't have any positions I was interested in at the time, but he still chatted with me for a good twenty minutes and gave me a good lowdown on what to look for with other recruiters and schools, which I thought was nice considering he wasn't going to make any money off of me. |
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