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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: Wow, no apostille required for EPIK teachers |
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Here is what my EPIK recruiter shot me today.
"Hi XXXXX,
They accept criminal record check only obtained through local police station.
You don't need to get any apostille with EPIK organization.
Talk to you soon!
XXXX"
They are Woongjin Think Big/Net Korea.
They did tell me last week that I could get an online police check and now they tell me I have to have a local police check which would mean I have to go home to get that. Good thing I didn't pay for an online CBC while I knew it would be a waste of money.
After thoughts: Who knows what Korea is doing, they might say you have to reapply in your home country after you arrive to a new job. Serious. It's goofed up as can be. EPIK recruiters are acting like there are no new visa laws except they require marijuana weed smoking drug test to get the job and then after you arrive in Korea.
How is Japan looking these days for jobs? I know Japan is looking bad with the NOVA collapse and how they screwed over many good English teachers.
How's the job market in America these days? ???
I know those 3rd world countries in SE Asia all require a real ESL qualification such as a $2000 certification while they only pay half that of Korea or Japan so I am not trying to score a new job down there though the climate and culture looks appealing. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| It's not EPIC (or GPIC, or SMOE) that sets the requirements but the Ministry of Justice. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Wow, no apostille required for EPIK teachers |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| EPIK recruiters are acting like there are no new visa laws... |
Yeah, what's up with that? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I don't see what difference it makes. EPIK, GEPIK, hagwon, univeristy, etc. If you're applying for an E2, it should be the same across the board.
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| I don't see what difference it makes. EPIK, GEPIK, hagwon, univeristy, etc. If you're applying for an E2, it should be the same accross the board. |
This is not the first I've heard of EPIK teachers being "exempt" from things. The other one I heard at a different board (from someone using a different recruiter than the one named in this thread!!) was no consulate interviews for EPIK teachers.
It doesn't make any sense for them to lie about it. Not unless I'm completely wrong in assuming recruiters need the teachers to at the very least be physically present in Korea before the school will pay them. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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I got a letter from SMOE, they dont need diplomas or crc checks apostilled but they want fbi background checks, i emailed them the link to the fbi website with the 4 month time frame. they may now take state checks given this (at least thats what the recruiter told me)
just in case i can get things apostilled sicne i will be home tomorrow |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure that as people can't get the numbers they need requirements will get easier for the big government programmes and more difficult for individual schools and academies. While I wish that public schools were just given the funds to hire as they liked (or turn it down if they're the type that don't like FTs), if this hurts hagwons the most, bravo our lives. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I'm sure that as people can't get the numbers they need requirements will get easier for the big government programmes and more difficult for individual schools and academies. While I wish that public schools were just given the funds to hire as they liked (or turn it down if they're the type that don't like FTs), if this hurts hagwons the most, bravo our lives. |
What difference would it make to our lives if hagwons are hurt by this? You don't make any sense.
Just because you worked for a crap outfit doesn't mean everyone does. Also shows you weren't mature enough to deal with your situation when you came here. I know there are crappy hagwons out there, but you were probably a crappy teacher when you first came here along with being wet behind the ears. Probably didn't know how to go about sticking up for yourself, etc. Or you chose a really crappy place to work because you were naive enough to.
Yeah, bravo your life. Whatever. Come a day, they'll realise that your job is worthless compared to, let's say, my job. At a hagwon.
Anyway, continue on doing pansy Celine Dion Titanic songs with your students and whatever it is that you do. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| I don't see what difference it makes. EPIK, GEPIK, hagwon, univeristy, etc. If you're applying for an E2, it should be the same accross the board. |
I'm still of the opinion that this is a round-about, face-saving way of shutting down the hagwon system and getting FTs into the public schools and safely under the scrutiny of the government. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| I don't see what difference it makes. EPIK, GEPIK, hagwon, univeristy, etc. If you're applying for an E2, it should be the same accross the board. |
I'm still of the opinion that this is a round-about, face-saving way of shutting down the hagwon system and getting FTs into the public schools and safely under the scrutiny of the government. |
Reaaaaaaalllly? |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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Co-teacher of mine has the same opinion. She said a document came down saying they're trying to DOUBLE the native teachers for next year.
**should say double in the province which would bring us from like 10 to 20 hehe*
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soju pizza
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Jessie41
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Wow, no apostille required for EPIK teachers |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
Here is what my EPIK recruiter shot me today.
"Hi XXXXX,
They accept criminal record check only obtained through local police station.
You don't need to get any apostille with EPIK organization.
Talk to you soon!
XXXX"
They are Woongjin Think Big/Net Korea.
They did tell me last week that I could get an online police check and now they tell me I have to have a local police check which would mean I have to go home to get that. Good thing I didn't pay for an online CBC while I knew it would be a waste of money.
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I was told the same thing from a different EPIK recruiter located in Canada. Since I could not find any "official" word, I feel better about hearing this information from a different source. I have time and it is free, so I will get the apostille anyway. However, I read in another thread that a state apostille was rejected by Korean immigration because it looked different than expected. The only safe bet may be a federal apostille or a Korean consular seal, in addition to the state's apostille.
Has anyone heard anything "official" about whether or not EPIK teachers are required to have an interview at the Korean consulate? |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Wow, no apostille required for EPIK teachers |
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| Jessie41 wrote: |
| However, I read in another thread that a state apostille was rejected by Korean immigration because it looked different than expected. The only safe bet may be a federal apostille or a Korean consular seal, in addition to the state's apostille. |
Not so. An apostille is an apostille, as long as it's granted by a legitimate authority. An apostille granted by a state Secretary of State is no different under international law than one granted by the federal State Department. Further, the very point of the apostille treaty is to eliminate the requirement of consular legalization for documents that have been authenticated by apostille.
Someone whose apostilled document is rejected by Korean Immigration should run�not walk�to his/her embassy and scream bloody murder. Under the treaty, the Korean government cannot reject an apostilled document unless they have proven that the apostille is invalid by consultation with the issuing authority. Until and unless they have done so, the Korean government is in violation of international law and its treaty obligations if it rejects a properly apostilled document. Embassies are notoriously unhelpful, but this is one matter in which they will be obliged to act on your behalf. |
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the dakota kid
Joined: 20 Jul 2004
Location: Not in Seoul...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I got a letter from SMOE, they dont need diplomas or crc checks apostilled but they want fbi background checks, i emailed them the link to the fbi website with the 4 month time frame. they may now take state checks given this (at least thats what the recruiter told me) |
I was able to get my results in 18 days, roughly.
FWIW,
tdk |
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