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kl04ip



Joined: 03 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: laptop to buy, asus 1201n vs??? Reply with quote

about to buy the asus 1201n from gmarket. for those who arent familiar, its got: n330 1.6 dual core atom processs
: 2GB ddr2 800 ram
: nvidia ion graphics chip
: 6 cell battery
: 12.1 inch screen 1366x 768

basically im looking for something small and portable that i can do some light gaming on. all the korea laptops i see are so foreign to me im not sure if LG or samsung or anyone has anything that will compare to this for the price point of 659 000.

What are your thoughts, what would you suggest? Shocked Shocked Very Happy
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even for light gaming you'll find the ION/Atom combination very limiting. I saw some benchmarks and it really struggles with any newer game even on lowest settings.

I'd say if gaming is one of your requirements, then forget about netbooks altogether.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atom with nvidia will smoke light gaming. I've seen bench marks where it has done just fine. Eamo has a real hard on for the Atom hate for some reason. You won't get anything light and portable at that price point that doesn't have an atom in it.
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Gaber



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The AMD MV40 dual core is starting to show up in a few netbooks now
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senior wrote:
Atom with nvidia will smoke light gaming. I've seen bench marks where it has done just fine. Eamo has a real hard on for the Atom hate for some reason. You won't get anything light and portable at that price point that doesn't have an atom in it.


Let the benchmarks and expert opinion speak for themselves......

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3509&p=5
It�s small, extremely power efficient, cool and well architected. But it delivers the performance of a lower-end mainstream notebook from over four years ago. Keep that in mind people, especially before you go out and spend $600 or $700 on a PC based on Atom.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/zotac-ion-atom,2300-5.html
If gaming is your primary reason for looking at Ion, then you�re frankly giving the platform too much credit. Gaming, to an extent, is viable, but as we�ll see from the performance numbers, it�s one more usage model held back by the Atom processor.


There are light and thin 14''-15''laptops on the market now that can be easily balanced on your knee when you're out and about and have about 6 times the graphics ability of the ION/Atom platform. They would be my personal choice.
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kl04ip



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Senior wrote:
Atom with nvidia will smoke light gaming. I've seen bench marks where it has done just fine. Eamo has a real hard on for the Atom hate for some reason. You won't get anything light and portable at that price point that doesn't have an atom in it.


Let the benchmarks and expert opinion speak for themselves......

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3509&p=5
It�s small, extremely power efficient, cool and well architected. But it delivers the performance of a lower-end mainstream notebook from over four years ago. Keep that in mind people, especially before you go out and spend $600 or $700 on a PC based on Atom.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/zotac-ion-atom,2300-5.html
If gaming is your primary reason for looking at Ion, then you�re frankly giving the platform too much credit. Gaming, to an extent, is viable, but as we�ll see from the performance numbers, it�s one more usage model held back by the Atom processor.


There are light and thin 14''-15''laptops on the market now that can be easily balanced on your knee when you're out and about and have about 6 times the graphics ability of the ION/Atom platform. They would be my personal choice.




Such as?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kl04ip wrote:




Such as?


A very quick 1 minute search brings up this.....

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5285802&CatId=3998

It's 1'' thick and 6lbs.......but it is a 15 inch.....games and movies will look a lot better in 15'' than in 10''......

I don't see carrying around a fairly light 15'' laptop as a real chore.......that's one of the reasons I don't get netbooks.......do you really need such a small, low-power computer? Why so small? Can't you manage carrying something that's only 6lbs?

The reasons for buying a netbook really start to diminish when you think about it.......they seem like something that has been done for the sake of miniaturization alone.

I'd personally much rather have something like the laptop above.....powerful enough for any task I throw at it......there is a huge difference in performance between the Core 2 Duo in the machine above and an Atom processor.....and there's a gigantic difference between the ATI HD4570 graphics in that Acer and the ION graphics.
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hanguker



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo, I have to disagree with you on this. If you're not into gaming a netbook has obvious advantages.

2lbs vs 6lbs is a huge difference. My friend tosses hers in a medium-size purse. No extra bag.
11h battery vs 2-4 is an obvious diff. on planes, trains, and bus trips.
For traveling. Really, would you carry a full size notebook to Thailand? I would a netbook it's so small.
Very easy to carry to class for powerpoint presentations with VGA hookup. Fits right into your bookbag.
You can zip it around the house with very little effort if you can't be without the net...and even read in bed.
You can do 720p on a netbook (even without Ion). 1080 would be useless on a 10 inch screen.
I've tried them and they are quite snappy and amazing power for the size.
Whips an itouch's arse and is probably more powerful than my Wii! Smile
n270s as low as 300K online (350 for a nice Asus 1005HA)

I think they're cool and will get cooler with the Ion series. They just gotta keep them small. No thanks 12 inch, might as well buy a thin and light.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP didn't specify what type of games he wanted to play. Maybe he just wants to play flash games. Or maybe, if he's like me, he plays old games. Championship Manager 03-04 Embarassed Theme Hospital, Civilizations, Game Boy emulator. A netbook can smoke this stuff.

Eamo, you are a "power user" or what ever. It seems like you get a kick out of the equipment itself, rather than the equipments implementation in your life. The majority of people who use computers just tool around on the net checking their email and Farmville on facebook. A massive hog with 40gb of RAM, turbo bass and double overhead sunvisors, is wasted on these people.

I've said this a million times, and you can quote me on it.
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90% of computer users will find an Atom netbook does 90% of what they want to do.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the portability advantage, Hanguker. Sure. If you need that kind of portability.

I think it's because my daily life doesn't require that kind of extreme portability...........maybe that's why I don't get the point of netbooks.

I'm just wary of any gadget that seems to become a fad or fashion. People should take a cold hard look at what they need from their device rather than just buying something a lot of other people are buying.

Plus, there has been a significant backlash from netbook owners who get a bit frustrated when they realize the limitations of the things. A lot of people think they're buying something that will do all their 15'' laptop could do but in a really small and cute form. They don't take into account the sacrifices that have to be made for that extreme portability and long battery life.

But, sure. I'll concede that a netbook can be a worthy purchase for a lot of people. Just not for me.

I'd like one for long flights......but then I have a PMP which will do for that kind of situation.


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Eamo, you are a "power user" or what ever. It seems like you get a kick out of the equipment itself, rather than the equipments implementation in your life.


Laughing A little bit. I do indeed geek-out on powerful computer parts. But I certainly do use my computers for what they were built for. I don't just build big 1.2mill PC's then go away and watch TV!! I use my PC a lot for power-intensive stuff. Gaming, 1080p movies, video editing...etc.....

First-person-shooter games look just gorgeous in 1080p on a 27'' widescreen monitor with all the settings on max.......it's a very immersive experience. Same goes for Full HD movies....... But you need a lot of power to do that.
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Adam Carolla



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my main PC's hard drive go bad on me late in 2009. This is the type of emergency that in the past would have had me walking the streets in search of an all-night PC parts vendor, but since I picked up a netbook over the summer this holocaust level disaster was merely an inconvenience.

I actually went a whole month with a netbook as my main PC before I finally got off my ass to go to Yongsan. Clearly, I didn't do much gaming, but I did use my netbook as my media center along with all the stuff one usually uses them for, and it did a great job. What finally made me get my PC up and running was encoding video. I had something or other to encode and the netbook simply wasn't up to the job.

If you're not a gamer, a netbook makes a lot of sense.
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hanguker



Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong eamo. I drool over power computers and I love FPS gaming too (though I'm on a budget).

However, I think netbooks are really cool advances in the miniaturization of pcs. Can they get any smaller and still have an input system comparable to a regular keyboard? I think that is the only bottleneck.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the OP would go up to an 11.6'' netbook?

Here's something that has twice the power of all the Atom/ION netbooks but is only 11.6 inches and 3.2lbs (compared to a typical Asus Atom/ION netbook which is 10.1'' and 2.8lbs)

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/acer-aspire-1410.aspx?page=1

Acer Aspire 1410. It's in the same price range......it will give you a far wider selection of games you're able to run........and it can do 1080p out to a large-screen TV.......as well as faster all-round computing.

I think that's all worth the extra 1.5 inches of size and a few ounces of weight.
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Gaber



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a thread detailing people's experience with current gen games. Overall, it's very encouraging. Obviously you can't crank them, but on such a small screen anything is going to look great.
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=81995
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Senior



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I wonder if the OP would go up to an 11.6'' netbook?

Here's something that has twice the power of all the Atom/ION netbooks but is only 11.6 inches and 3.2lbs (compared to a typical Asus Atom/ION netbook which is 10.1'' and 2.8lbs)

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/acer-aspire-1410.aspx?page=1

Acer Aspire 1410. It's in the same price range......it will give you a far wider selection of games you're able to run........and it can do 1080p out to a large-screen TV.......as well as faster all-round computing.

I think that's all worth the extra 1.5 inches of size and a few ounces of weight.


http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=176169272

This actually looks pretty good. I believe it's in the "ULV" category of notebooks.
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