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Niabingi
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: How thoroughly will my potential employer check? |
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An ambigous thread title I know. But, I ask because I'm having an ongoing debate with my university about me owing them money. Which I know I don't. At any rate, I was incapcitated for a while and not working during that period so my uni left me alone. Now, I'm applying for a job in Korea and worry that my potential employer will phone up my uni and ask about me. I don't want them to know that I will be working in Korea. As I am sure it will start the cycle of endless phonecalls (to my parents house which is really annoying for them), acting on the debt collector/take me to court for the money threat. It's tiring, to have very aggressive people phoning up your parents on a Sunday evening trying to bully them into giving out your contact details (yes they were that bad). I would rather not have them go through it.
I have an apostilled copy of my degree and sealed transcripts. I also have a degree from the open university (fully accredited) which I got when I was incapacitated, if there is a chance they will still contact my university I was thinking it would be more prudent to just use my open university degree in order to apply.
In case anyone was curious about the "financial situation"
I paid a portion of my final year fees and my LEA (local education authority) paid the rest since my father was rendered disabled and unable to work and my mother left her job to be his full time carer. Although I was working part-time of course our household income was very low and so I qualified for assitance in paying my fees.
One year after I graduated my university started calling me up hounding me saying that the fees were not paid. I told them to follow it up with the LEA and not me, I went in with letters that explained my financial situation and stated in plain words that the LEA were repsonsible for the rest of my fees. This doesn't seem to be enough for them. Of course my LEA are being of no help it seems that they keep no paperwork on file and it takes them weeks to get back to any enquiry that I make. I got fed up of the complicated bollocks of it all and I refuse to pay a penny or a lift a finger to help my uni get the money that's "owed". |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| They won't call your university. If they do, privacy laws keep them from discussing your status without your consent. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:28 am Post subject: Re: How thoroughly will my potential employer check? |
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| Niabingi wrote: |
An ambigous thread title I know. But, I ask because I'm having an ongoing debate with my university about me owing them money. Which I know I don't. At any rate, I was incapcitated for a while and not working during that period so my uni left me alone. Now, I'm applying for a job in Korea and worry that my potential employer will phone up my uni and ask about me. I don't want them to know that I will be working in Korea. As I am sure it will start the cycle of endless phonecalls (to my parents house which is really annoying for them), acting on the debt collector/take me to court for the money threat. It's tiring, to have very aggressive people phoning up your parents on a Sunday evening trying to bully them into giving out your contact details (yes they were that bad). I would rather not have them go through it.
I have an apostilled copy of my degree and sealed transcripts. I also have a degree from the open university (fully accredited) which I got when I was incapacitated, if there is a chance they will still contact my university I was thinking it would be more prudent to just use my open university degree in order to apply.
In case anyone was curious about the "financial situation"
I paid a portion of my final year fees and my LEA (local education authority) paid the rest since my father was rendered disabled and unable to work and my mother left her job to be his full time carer. Although I was working part-time of course our household income was very low and so I qualified for assitance in paying my fees.
One year after I graduated my university started calling me up hounding me saying that the fees were not paid. I told them to follow it up with the LEA and not me, I went in with letters that explained my financial situation and stated in plain words that the LEA were repsonsible for the rest of my fees. This doesn't seem to be enough for them. Of course my LEA are being of no help it seems that they keep no paperwork on file and it takes them weeks to get back to any enquiry that I make. I got fed up of the complicated bollocks of it all and I refuse to pay a penny or a lift a finger to help my uni get the money that's "owed". |
LMAO -
1) It is YOUR responsibility to make sure the fees get paid, so telling them to get the money from the LEA is laughable. You can not just pass the buck like that, it doesnt work that way in the real world buddy. YOU are responsible for debts.
So if you had a buddy ( called buddy A) and he woed you 30 bucks and you owe another buddy (buddy B) 30 bucks, and then you make an arrangement for Buddy A to pay buddy B, then buddy A never pays BUddy B before he moves, Is buddy B told "well I told Buddy A to pay you, so you get it from him"? Come on man.
2) Hope you don't mind your credit rating getting tanked. Hope you don't mind risking your future credit line for things like houses and loans when they find out you stiffed a University, when your university has a valid case.
3) you come across as completely childish and quite ignorant of the way things work, yeah its a lot of waiting for phone calls and waiting on hold, and taking weeks to get a document or a confirmation. Grow up and deal with it.
4) Bottom line is if you DO NOT have proof that your LEA paid for it, its on YOU to get that cleared up, and it is YOU that is going to pay for it, and being "right" and not dealing with the situation is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
5) No your university will not be contacted. |
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Niabingi
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: Re: How thoroughly will my potential employer check? |
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| Seoulio wrote: |
| Niabingi wrote: |
An ambigous thread title I know. But, I ask because I'm having an ongoing debate with my university about me owing them money. Which I know I don't. At any rate, I was incapcitated for a while and not working during that period so my uni left me alone. Now, I'm applying for a job in Korea and worry that my potential employer will phone up my uni and ask about me. I don't want them to know that I will be working in Korea. As I am sure it will start the cycle of endless phonecalls (to my parents house which is really annoying for them), acting on the debt collector/take me to court for the money threat. It's tiring, to have very aggressive people phoning up your parents on a Sunday evening trying to bully them into giving out your contact details (yes they were that bad). I would rather not have them go through it.
I have an apostilled copy of my degree and sealed transcripts. I also have a degree from the open university (fully accredited) which I got when I was incapacitated, if there is a chance they will still contact my university I was thinking it would be more prudent to just use my open university degree in order to apply.
In case anyone was curious about the "financial situation"
I paid a portion of my final year fees and my LEA (local education authority) paid the rest since my father was rendered disabled and unable to work and my mother left her job to be his full time carer. Although I was working part-time of course our household income was very low and so I qualified for assitance in paying my fees.
One year after I graduated my university started calling me up hounding me saying that the fees were not paid. I told them to follow it up with the LEA and not me, I went in with letters that explained my financial situation and stated in plain words that the LEA were repsonsible for the rest of my fees. This doesn't seem to be enough for them. Of course my LEA are being of no help it seems that they keep no paperwork on file and it takes them weeks to get back to any enquiry that I make. I got fed up of the complicated bollocks of it all and I refuse to pay a penny or a lift a finger to help my uni get the money that's "owed". |
LMAO -
1) It is YOUR responsibility to make sure the fees get paid, so telling them to get the money from the LEA is laughable. You can not just pass the buck like that, it doesnt work that way in the real world buddy. YOU are responsible for debts.
So if you had a buddy ( called buddy A) and he woed you 30 bucks and you owe another buddy (buddy B) 30 bucks, and then you make an arrangement for Buddy A to pay buddy B, then buddy A never pays BUddy B before he moves, Is buddy B told "well I told Buddy A to pay you, so you get it from him"? Come on man.
2) Hope you don't mind your credit rating getting tanked. Hope you don't mind risking your future credit line for things like houses and loans when they find out you stiffed a University, when your university has a valid case.
3) you come across as completely childish and quite ignorant of the way things work, yeah its a lot of waiting for phone calls and waiting on hold, and taking weeks to get a document or a confirmation. Grow up and deal with it.
4) Bottom line is if you DO NOT have proof that your LEA paid for it, its on YOU to get that cleared up, and it is YOU that is going to pay for it, and being "right" and not dealing with the situation is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
5) No your university will not be contacted. |
I spent my time filling out the studnet loan and financial assesment form, every time my LEA called and asked me to bring in proof of my income, proof of my dads disability, proof of my mums not working, proof of address despite having included all of that with the assesment I went back in asap to hand in what was needed. I then got my assesment back and was told the government would oay �700 and I would pay �400 of my fees. Fine, I paid the �400 the next day. The university and the council were happy, I finished out the year and graduated.
In the UK we have a system in place which is supposed to aid people from low income families to go to university. I followed all of the appropriate channels, submitted all of the paperwork and was categorically told on many occasions and in writing that �700 of my fees would be paid for as that's the support I qualified for. (That �700 is not by the way a gift, it is to be paid off and I have no intention of paying it twice)
Over 12 months after I graduate out of the blue my university calls and aggresively tells me that I owe them �700. I have receipts and paperwork that state otherwise, they have no proof or documentation that supports their claim that the council did not pay the �700 on the other hand the council has no evidence that they did pay. I on the other hand have kept every scrap of paper from my student finance days and can prove that I was not the one to pay the �700, I paid the remaining fees, by the end of the year my fees were marked as "paid in full" (which to me indicates that the LEA did pay). I went out of my way to visit my uni and the council at a time when I was in a really bad way physically to try and sort the issue and show all of my official paperwork. Neither party seemed remotely interested and I would be told yes that's fine by one person I spoke to only for someone else to call a few days later. It's not just a case of a few days or hours wasted either, I spoke to and cleared up the matter with 3 different people only to again be contacted by a random person who knew nothing of the details.
It's not like it was an informal deal I made with a mate. This is a system that our government has had in place for a very long time in order to aid students. I highly doubt that they randomnly forget to pay or just decide not too. They assesed me and decided that according to the given guidelines as a UK citizen I was entitled to having �700 of my fees paid and I'll be damned if I end up paying that on the word of some university debt collectors who can't even seem to communicate in an effective manner with each other. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: Re: How thoroughly will my potential employer check? |
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| Niabingi wrote: |
| Seoulio wrote: |
| Niabingi wrote: |
An ambigous thread title I know. But, I ask because I'm having an ongoing debate with my university about me owing them money. Which I know I don't. At any rate, I was incapcitated for a while and not working during that period so my uni left me alone. Now, I'm applying for a job in Korea and worry that my potential employer will phone up my uni and ask about me. I don't want them to know that I will be working in Korea. As I am sure it will start the cycle of endless phonecalls (to my parents house which is really annoying for them), acting on the debt collector/take me to court for the money threat. It's tiring, to have very aggressive people phoning up your parents on a Sunday evening trying to bully them into giving out your contact details (yes they were that bad). I would rather not have them go through it.
I have an apostilled copy of my degree and sealed transcripts. I also have a degree from the open university (fully accredited) which I got when I was incapacitated, if there is a chance they will still contact my university I was thinking it would be more prudent to just use my open university degree in order to apply.
In case anyone was curious about the "financial situation"
I paid a portion of my final year fees and my LEA (local education authority) paid the rest since my father was rendered disabled and unable to work and my mother left her job to be his full time carer. Although I was working part-time of course our household income was very low and so I qualified for assitance in paying my fees.
One year after I graduated my university started calling me up hounding me saying that the fees were not paid. I told them to follow it up with the LEA and not me, I went in with letters that explained my financial situation and stated in plain words that the LEA were repsonsible for the rest of my fees. This doesn't seem to be enough for them. Of course my LEA are being of no help it seems that they keep no paperwork on file and it takes them weeks to get back to any enquiry that I make. I got fed up of the complicated bollocks of it all and I refuse to pay a penny or a lift a finger to help my uni get the money that's "owed". |
LMAO -
1) It is YOUR responsibility to make sure the fees get paid, so telling them to get the money from the LEA is laughable. You can not just pass the buck like that, it doesnt work that way in the real world buddy. YOU are responsible for debts.
So if you had a buddy ( called buddy A) and he woed you 30 bucks and you owe another buddy (buddy B) 30 bucks, and then you make an arrangement for Buddy A to pay buddy B, then buddy A never pays BUddy B before he moves, Is buddy B told "well I told Buddy A to pay you, so you get it from him"? Come on man.
2) Hope you don't mind your credit rating getting tanked. Hope you don't mind risking your future credit line for things like houses and loans when they find out you stiffed a University, when your university has a valid case.
3) you come across as completely childish and quite ignorant of the way things work, yeah its a lot of waiting for phone calls and waiting on hold, and taking weeks to get a document or a confirmation. Grow up and deal with it.
4) Bottom line is if you DO NOT have proof that your LEA paid for it, its on YOU to get that cleared up, and it is YOU that is going to pay for it, and being "right" and not dealing with the situation is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
5) No your university will not be contacted. |
I spent my time filling out the studnet loan and financial assesment form, every time my LEA called and asked me to bring in proof of my income, proof of my dads disability, proof of my mums not working, proof of address despite having included all of that with the assesment I went back in asap to hand in what was needed. I then got my assesment back and was told the government would oay �700 and I would pay �400 of my fees. Fine, I paid the �400 the next day. The university and the council were happy, I finished out the year and graduated. OK SOUNDS GOD SO FAR, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT OF FUNDS!
In the UK we have a system in place which is supposed to aid people from low income families to go to university. ( UM YES, MOST COUNTRIES HAVE THIS, ITS BESIDE THE POINT THOUGH AND NOT THE ISSUE)
I followed all of the appropriate channels, submitted all of the paperwork and was categorically told on many occasions and in writing that �700 of my fees would be paid for as that's the support I qualified for. YES THAT 750 WOULD BE PAID FOR, "WOULD IS A FUTURE CONSIDERATION NOT A DONE DEAL. (That �700 is not by the way a gift, it is to be paid off and I have no intention of paying it twice)
Over 12 months after I graduate out of the blue my university calls and aggresively tells me that I owe them �700. (AS THEY SHOULD IF THEY HAVENOT BEEN PAID, YOUR ARRANGEMENT FOR FUNDS IS NOT THIER CONCERN, CONTACTING YOU TO GET THEM IS)
I have receipts and paperwork that state otherwise, YOU HAVE PROOF THE LEA PAID THEM? THE CASE SHOULD BE RESOLVED, WHAY ISN'T IT?
they have no proof or documentation that supports their claim that the council did not pay the �700 (IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT SOMETHING WASN'T PAID)
on the other hand the council has no evidence that they did pay. (LMAO SO YOUR UNIVERSITY HAS NO PROOF OF PAYMENT AND THE LEA CAN NOT PROVE THEY PAID, GUESS WHAT BUDDY, THEN THE LEA LIKELY DIDNT PAY!!!!)
I on the other hand have kept every scrap of paper from my student finance days and can prove that I was not the one to pay the �700, NO YOU CAN PROVE AN ARRANGEMENT FOR THE LEA TO PAY THE UNIVERSITY, SHOULD THE LEA HAVE NOT PAID THEM IT IS STILL UP TO YOU TO SORT THIS OUT AND FIND OUT WHY.
I paid the remaining fees, by the end of the year my fees were marked as "paid in full" (which to me indicates that the LEA did pay).
AGAIN IF YOU HAVE PROOF OF THIS THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM, UNLESS YOUR SCHOOL CAN SHOW THAT IT WAS IN ERROR, AND SHOW THE BALANCE OF FUNDS PAID BY YOU IS SHORT.
I went out of my way to visit my uni and the council at a time when I was in a really bad way physically to try and sort the issue and show all of my official paperwork. UM YEAH, SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO DO.
Neither party seemed remotely interested and I would be told yes that's fine by one person I spoke to only for someone else to call a few days later. It's not just a case of a few days or hours wasted either, I spoke to and cleared up the matter with 3 different people only to again be contacted by a random person who knew nothing of the details.
YES, WELCOME TO GOVERNMENT WORKERS HELL
It's not like it was an informal deal I made with a mate. ( IT IS ANALOGOUS THOUGH)
This is a system that our government has had in place for a very long time in order to aid students. MISTAKES HAPPEN, STILL ON YOU TO SORT IT OUT
I highly doubt that they randomnly forget to pay or just decide not too. BUT YOU WOULDNT KNOW SINCE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP TRYING TO SORT OUT THE PROBLEM AS YOU DON'T THINK ITS YOUR PROBLEM
They assesed me and decided that according to the given guidelines as a UK citizen I was entitled to having �700 of my fees paid ( AGAIN WHAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO AND WHAT WAS DONE ARE NOT THE SAME
and I'll be damned if I end up paying that on the word of some university debt collectors who can't even seem to communicate in an effective manner with each other.THE DONT NED TO CONTACT EACH OTHER, THE UNIVERSITY NEEDS TO CONTACT YOU AS YOU OWE THEM THE MONEY. YOUR ARRANGEMNT WITH A 3RD PARTY IS NOT THEIR CONCERN |
Im going to make some responses in CAPS in your text, just look above in the post.
Look buddy its up to you, you are being obstinate and stuck up, it will almost certainly come back to haunt you. There is a huge difference between what is arranged and what is done. and by your own admission neither side has proof that the money was ever paid, so guess what, legally it probably hasn't been paid and the only thing in your favor is the "paid in full" for fees thing.
EITHER way you need to sort it out as your credit rating will be SCREWED if you don't.
If you don't want to do that then fine, but right or wrong, its going to affect you badly if you don't get it sorted out, and you may have to pay the money if you ever have plans of establishing long term credit. |
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makemischief
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Ignore Seoulio: he has no purpose in life beyond posting on here. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: Re: How thoroughly will my potential employer check? |
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| Niabingi wrote: |
| I paid the remaining fees, by the end of the year my fees were marked as "paid in full" (which to me indicates that the LEA did pay). |
That piece of paper is not worth 700 UKP. Don't lose it. |
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Niabingi
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Location: London
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It's not that I don't want to sort it out. It's just that every time I try no progress gets made, I am faced with a wall of incompetency that is off putting. It would be bearable if the people I was dealing with were polite, I never raise my voice or shout at anyone I'm always clear respectful and polite when I talk and would appreciate the same. Especially towards my parents, my dads speech has been affected by his illness and the person calling took his slow responses as some sort of refusal to talk and berated him with threats and abusive speech (not quite cursing but still rude). My dad still being as astute as he was recorded the phonecall and emailed it to the university as a complaint.
As I said I had cleared the matter up with my university on more than one occasion and they had (I was told) put all of the evidence on file and chalked it up to a misunderstanding due to their new system. Only to get the same bullying phonecalls a few days later.
This is not a short term thing, it has lasted the time it has taken me to go from being unable to sit up in a bed to learning how to walk, run, jump etc again. In the time all of this was going on I managed to aqcuire a second degree.
I'm frankly tired of the whole thing. Am I supposed to continue to go into my university and have them photocopy the same 10 documents every few days?
Maybe I should find a better way to deal with it, but, I found myself at a loss as to what that was and so angered by their incompetence and rudeness that I was very happy to let them write me of as an invald forever more. |
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Seoulio
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Naibingi - Welcome to the real world buddy. You don't need to take my word for it, phone any accountant, financial officer and ask what ignoring this will do to your credit rating.
My brother took 6 years to get his account fixed all because of a 100 dollar stereo he never made payments on 12years before.
You may not like how I say things, but this is NOT something you should ignore. Its frustrating, but no large organisation (especially a government run one that doesnt really care that much about you, and isn't trying to get your continued business) doesnt act this way in many circumstances.
Get the heads of either the University or the LEA and say "what the heck" we need this resolved now, heres the documenations I have etc" |
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