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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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 Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: Working on Saturday=OT? |
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I've been informed that the 'head teacher' says I need to come in next Saturday to do an open class for the parents. My EPIK contract says no Saturdays or Sundays, but I decided not to make it an issue since it's just this one time and it'll help out my co-teacher.
Since Saturday is not in my normal hours, does this mean I will get OT pay? And should I bring it up to my co-teacher or will the school just do it automatically? |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Depends which kind of working hours you're looking at. Work hours are different, and the OT is significantly lower. I think it's 6,000 won for SMOE, compared to 20,000 for an OT teaching hour. so you'd get X amount for your lesson, and y amount for the hours you are at school.
Be careful setting precedents, that's all I have to say... |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| prideofidaho wrote: |
Be careful setting precedents, that's all I have to say... |
It's not wise to work even one saturday. Escalation is a standard Korean management practice and, unless you ask for 50,000 won a hour, you can expect more 'unexpected', 'one off' saturday duties.
Tell them you made a mistake. Had a 'miscommunication' etc. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If your contract says you don't work weekends, don't work weekends. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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You have every right to refuse Saturday work. However, if you feel otherwise and would like to donate your time and money, go for it. 
Also, don't assume that your school will pay you OT. |
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Manuel_the_Bandito
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Working on Saturday=OT? |
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| DrugstoreCowgirl wrote: |
Since Saturday is not in my normal hours, does this mean I will get OT pay? |
Most likely not. |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Location: in the classroom
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:11 am Post subject: |
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It can't hurt to ask. Just asking has worked for me in the past.
At the very least mention that your contract specifies that you don't work Saturdays but you won't mind to help them out this time.
And if they force you to desk warm during summer/winter you might want to bring up the fact that they didn't feel the need to follow the contract to the letter when they needed you. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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They've asked me to work Saturday one other time and I said no and I will say no to anything in the future. I said yes because I like my co-teacher and I always feel sorry for her when open classes come up because she FREAKS out about them.
That being said, I'm not willing to donate my time. So I guess I should ask and make sure I'm being paid my overtime.
I'm teaching the maximum number of classes already, and she said that we have to practice the open class 3 times (  ) before the actual class. Do you think this would count as OT as well since we'll be with the kids for essentially 4 classes, or should I just hope to get it on Sat? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| No one can order you to work on Saturday if it's not in your contract. Tell them no. |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| No one can order you to work on Saturday if it's not in your contract. Tell them no. |
I was threatened with dismissal from my job if I did not work on Saturday, 26 December. The county's ed. office is run by obviously mean people who told me that they do not care about my problems with my main school. In fact, I was banned from entering the office ever again because I asked to see the county's main shmo about my concerns. Sounds unbelievable, right?! Yeag, that's what I thought when the then new co-ordinator told me this bit of news. I said to the latter guy that Mr. X had informed me the first day I met him to feel free to visit him whenever I wanted to or if I had a problem. Then again, I live in possibly the poorest and most backwards place in Korea where I'm surrounded by squalor, rubes, and K-Style Rednecks. (Many nice folks live here as well.)
I'd have to caution anybody from being too forceful about sticking up for their rights if he/she can tell that the local office would not care to help them with a principal who's a bully. |
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carpetdope
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| My VP has asked me to do a once-a-month 2 hour Saturday morning drama class in exchange for full days off during deskwarming. I thought it was a decent trade (getting an extra 10 or so days in the home country or wherever). Perhaps you could do something similar. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Countrygirl wrote: |
And if they force you to desk warm during summer/winter you might want to bring up the fact that they didn't feel the need to follow the contract to the letter when they needed you. |
Sadly, this is a strategy that doesn't work. Your school will just quote some nameless mandarin in the POE as the person who is making you desk-warm.
This happened to me - and I was really ................. , because I'd donated countless hours by coming 40 mins early, working lunch etc - everyday. They made me deskwarm, and wouldn't even give me one extra paid day off. I was so annoyed I resigned.
The moral of the story - you give - they take. Be warned. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
| Countrygirl wrote: |
And if they force you to desk warm during summer/winter you might want to bring up the fact that they didn't feel the need to follow the contract to the letter when they needed you. |
Sadly, this is a strategy that doesn't work. Your school will just quote some nameless mandarin in the POE as the person who is making you desk-warm.
This happened to me - and I was really ................. , because I'd donated countless hours by coming 40 mins early, working lunch etc - everyday. They made me deskwarm, and wouldn't even give me one extra paid day off. I was so annoyed I resigned.
The moral of the story - you give - they take. Be warned. |
Really? Did your school know you came in early and worked lunch and such? Was it like a formal arrangement that was broken at the last minute? (Just curious) |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| jonpurdy wrote: |
| oldfatfarang wrote: |
| Countrygirl wrote: |
And if they force you to desk warm during summer/winter you might want to bring up the fact that they didn't feel the need to follow the contract to the letter when they needed you. |
Sadly, this is a strategy that doesn't work. Your school will just quote some nameless mandarin in the POE as the person who is making you desk-warm.
This happened to me - and I was really ................. , because I'd donated countless hours by coming 40 mins early, working lunch etc - everyday. They made me deskwarm, and wouldn't even give me one extra paid day off. I was so annoyed I resigned.
The moral of the story - you give - they take. Be warned. |
Really? Did your school know you came in early and worked lunch and such? Was it like a formal arrangement that was broken at the last minute? (Just curious) |
Yes, my school 'approved' extra paid vacation, and I booked and paid for it. We also signed another contract for a further year, however, two weeks after re-signing - they reneged and said some POE guy had canceled my extra holidays. This cost me money in cancellation fees etc, not to mention embarrassement. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| carpetdope wrote: |
| My VP has asked me to do a once-a-month 2 hour Saturday morning drama class in exchange for full days off during deskwarming. I thought it was a decent trade (getting an extra 10 or so days in the home country or wherever). Perhaps you could do something similar. |
Keep in mind though that your VP (or for that matter Principal) has only limited authority to allow this.
These forums are full of stories from teachers who thought they were getting extra days off (as they had negotiated with the VP/P) only to find the higher-ups in the Education Board said "No way". The VP/P can not overrule these folks...as the EB is the one in charge. |
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