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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: The " Watch the Foreigner fall" game. Reply with quote

I think lots of KET's play this game. It usually starts with the KET accusing the NET's of having a boring class usually followed by the typical
advice that he/she should play more games and do less choral repetition.
This is ironic because KET's almost never play games nor are they under any compulsion to create lesson that are in any way shape of form entertaining.

One of the reasons for this is that if the NET makes a standard textbook based EFL/ESL lesson this will the KET's class look bad. If the foregner attemps to use the time honoured Audio- Lingual approach to Maximize the students speaking time this will make the KET's grammar translation lecture look bad. So the KET will atempt to sabbatage the NET's class by fabrication lots of false advice about 'so called" complaints coming from parents and principals.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rough week? And it's only Monday!
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jiberish



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me like it just a case of your Korean teacher not liking you. What about working and teaching together? My best classes in PS were when we made lesson plans together. It made my life easy and working together I found rewarding. Much better than the sit up the back and do nothing teachers I have worked with at other places.
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: wherever

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jiberish wrote:
Seems to me like it just a case of your Korean teacher not liking you. What about working and teaching together? My best classes in PS were when we made lesson plans together. It made my life easy and working together I found rewarding. Much better than the sit up the back and do nothing teachers I have worked with at other places.


If you are lucky enough to have CTs that do this, you are really really lucky. Out of roughly 7 Korean CTs, I have had 1 that was willing to work together, and 1 who would see me 5 minutes before class started about 20% of the time to ask what he should do in class.

OP, I do often feel undermined by certain CTs in very subtle ways, in the sense that they may go out of their way NOT to help your lesson succeed
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked at a HS my co-teacher's...about 10 overall did nothing to help me. I told them not to come to my class and we were both happy with the situation. Try to get them to leave you alone. They'd prefer the free time and you'd prefer the annoying teacher not translating everything you say into Korean.

They'll have no ammo.

And don't quote me "the rules". Rules in Korea....hahahaha kekekeke
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The " Watch the Foreigner fall" game. Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
I think lots of KET's play this game. It usually starts with the KET accusing the NET's of having a boring class usually followed by the typical
advice that he/she should play more games and do less choral repetition.
This is ironic because KET's almost never play games nor are they under any compulsion to create lesson that are in any way shape of form entertaining.

One of the reasons for this is that if the NET makes a standard textbook based EFL/ESL lesson this will the KET's class look bad. If the foregner attemps to use the time honoured Audio- Lingual approach to Maximize the students speaking time this will make the KET's grammar translation lecture look bad. So the KET will atempt to sabbatage the NET's class by fabrication lots of false advice about 'so called" complaints coming from parents and principals.


I had this kind of situation the first year I was here. Nothing seemed like it was good enough, until I started telling people what I was doing and why I was doing it. Take charge and take the power out of the hands of the KET and make them follow you.
This kind of action forces the KET to co-operate to stay up to your level.
This approach not only works well, it's been going strong for 2 years now.
This year I am the English Conversation Dept head at my school.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh last year I had the opposite happen.

I had games in my lesson as per edutainment, and the KET still complained.
Sometimes you have to work with a complainer. Don't let them ruin your day.
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add that I see nothing wrong with playing games quite a bit, actually and/or activities. Two of my major lessons this week are games that requires them to use the target vocabulary for them to play. One is a battleship style game, and the other is a go fish style game. However, I do a vocabulary heavy lesson at the beginning of each unit that I create. The biggest issue is the teacher who does not make them do any vocabulary writing, refuses to incorporate what I do when I don't follow the book and refuses to tell me where he is when I tried to follow the book (He only talks to me to tell me about schedule changes, nothing else).

With the other teachers, at least the students know that some of my stuff will end up on their midterms. I'll take my CT who cannot understand 98% of what I say (he is an actual English teacher!!) over passive aggressive teacher any day!

Unless your job is on the line, don't worry about what the KET thinks, just make a good lesson that is good for your students. However, since I started MS, I don't ask the KET to stay out of the class.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmstyle wrote:
I should add that I see nothing wrong with playing games quite a bit, actually and/or activities. Two of my major lessons this week are games that requires them to use the target vocabulary for them to play. One is a battleship style game, and the other is a go fish style game. However, I do a vocabulary heavy lesson at the beginning of each unit that I create. The biggest issue is the teacher who does not make them do any vocabulary writing, refuses to incorporate what I do when I don't follow the book and refuses to tell me where he is when I tried to follow the book (He only talks to me to tell me about schedule changes, nothing else).

With the other teachers, at least the students know that some of my stuff will end up on their midterms. I'll take my CT who cannot understand 98% of what I say (he is an actual English teacher!!) over passive aggressive teacher any day!

Nothing wrong with playing games either. Just don't want to do a curriculam that is just 100% games at the request of a ding bat

Unless your job is on the line, don't worry about what the KET thinks, just make a good lesson that is good for your students. However, since I started MS, I don't ask the KET to stay out of the class.
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air76



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like watching the foreigner fall....haven't you ever seen that new show Wipe-Out? It's awesome.
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abigolblackman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was playing games wit my middle school boys, but when the new school year started, I though it childish and decided to actually try and teach from the book (as abysmal as it is).

I start out by teaching the kids some random facts in English, something they know but may not know how to say in English, like writing math equations, the solar system, Greek gods and such. This is the warm-up.

I then teach vocabulary, then grammar. I write everything on the chalk board (why do those still exist), and have the kids make-up their own sentences and say them aloud after covering a unit.

Been doing this for this past first month of school and I actually feel like my kids are learning. Whether they are or not, I can't be sure, but they do respond more, ask questions, really get into the warm-ups, and seem to know what's going on when I ask them make a sentence. And the thing that gets me, they are not ripping their books apart and are actually writing down things I say that they find interesting.

But of course my co-teacher come at me today, telling me the kids are disappointed in my lessons and I need to go back to playing games. Rolling Eyes and walk away.
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Manuel_the_Bandito



Joined: 12 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The " Watch the Foreigner fall" game. Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
I think lots of KET's play this game. It usually starts with the KET accusing the NET's of having a boring class usually followed by the typical
advice that he/she should play more games and do less choral repetition.
This is ironic because KET's almost never play games nor are they under any compulsion to create lesson that are in any way shape of form entertaining.

One of the reasons for this is that if the NET makes a standard textbook based EFL/ESL lesson this will the KET's class look bad. If the foregner attemps to use the time honoured Audio- Lingual approach to Maximize the students speaking time this will make the KET's grammar translation lecture look bad. So the KET will atempt to sabbatage the NET's class by fabrication lots of false advice about 'so called" complaints coming from parents and principals.


I've never really seen much of this. Tell the Korean teachers that you really want to improve the pupils' exam scores. That will make both them and you look good. Plus there's nothing wrong with playing a game once in a while if it contributes to learning.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

air76 wrote:
I like watching the foreigner fall....haven't you ever seen that new show Wipe-Out? It's awesome.


More like Press Your Luck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Your_Luck
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air76



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
air76 wrote:
I like watching the foreigner fall....haven't you ever seen that new show Wipe-Out? It's awesome.


More like Press Your Luck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Your_Luck


No whammy! No whammy! No whammy!

I loved that show when I was a kid.
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jiberish



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah people here just like to complain. Just ignore it like white noise. I do afterschool now. Some parents complain I am too nice. Other parents complain I can be scarey and to be more nice.
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