| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
 Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: 100,000 homeless veterans |
 |
|
This is a disgrace and an embarrassment. Where has the free market laissez-faire types been? Obviously not very evident. And what is the 'free market/gov't is the problem' party doing about it?
Shutting down the government so the situation cannot be addressed.
Using Senate rules, the GOP has taken the tack of shutting down committee hearing on all sorts of issues, just because they can.
I'm surprised the GOP has the guts to hold its head up in public after this report. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
|
|
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Where has the free market laissez-faire types been? Obviously not very evident. And what is the 'free market/gov't is the problem' party doing about it? |
Don't go to war. Problem solved. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
To be more specific and get at Ya-ta's constant axe grinding, this is what is being suggested:
The government goes to war and then doesn't take care of the young men who were sent into war and the limited government types have to answer for this injustice.
Good stuff. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
|
|
| mises wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Where has the free market laissez-faire types been? Obviously not very evident. And what is the 'free market/gov't is the problem' party doing about it? |
Don't go to war. Problem solved. |
A swing and a miss!
Whoa! ANOTHER swing and a miss.
There were two points to my post and you missed both of them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:20 am Post subject: Re: 100,000 homeless veterans |
|
|
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This is a disgrace and an embarrassment. Where has the free market laissez-faire types been? Obviously not very evident. And what is the 'free market/gov't is the problem' party doing about it?
Shutting down the government so the situation cannot be addressed.
Using Senate rules, the GOP has taken the tack of shutting down committee hearing on all sorts of issues, just because they can.
I'm surprised the GOP has the guts to hold its head up in public after this report. |
This is a very old issue. Veterans often come back from war emotionally scarred after seeing horrors, and there is no housing for veterans.
I think they should get more than a GI Bill. They should have the option to get a good deal on a house and payments towards a house until they can get back on their feet.
People say support the troops, but they don't say support the veterans or help them. We are to support them staying in combat. When wars are carried in somewhat rural and far-off lands, it can be devastating. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| There were two points to my post and you missed both of them. |
They're completely retarded so I ignored them. You have an inability to see the fundamental reality for what it is. There is no R and there is no D. There is a giant blob of bureaucratic corporate interests covering the entire country. The D vs. R is fodder for peasants. It is propaganda, really. Obama is George Bush's third term. Bush was Clinton's 3rd and 4th terms. There is no meaningful change. Constant war. More war. And then more war.
And you want to grind partisan axes and blame groups you only identify when placed in context of a political party. It is just silly. Stop it. The Republicans are not in favor of free markets or limited government. The Democrats are not progressives. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Good grief.
Party A started a war and refused to clean up the mess, so party B who have no power, and were against the war in the first place should be held accountable?
Good grief. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
There was a good article up a few minutes ago, but I'm having computer problems and lost it. I'm sure another one will be up shortly.
The gist of it is that the GOP is using some Senate rule or other to shut off debate/discussion in committee hearings. As if you didn't know, various Senate committee hearings are held on issues, and then said committee begins work on legislation to address the issue. Yesterday and today the GOP has shut down committee meetings at 2 PM (presumably so they have more time to dally with their mistresses or under-age boyfriends in airport bathrooms...I don't know), but the committee that was discussing this particular problem was shut down at 11 am.
It is deplorable that the problem was allowed to get this large to begin with. What's a stronger word than 'deplorable' to say what the opposition party is doing to shut down work on addressing the problem? 'Childish' is no where near strong enough. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
| mises wrote: |
| Quote: |
| There were two points to my post and you missed both of them. |
They're completely retarded so I ignored them. You have an inability to see the fundamental reality for what it is. There is no R and there is no D. There is a giant blob of bureaucratic corporate interests covering the entire country. The D vs. R is fodder for peasants. It is propaganda, really. Obama is George Bush's third term. Bush was Clinton's 3rd and 4th terms. There is no meaningful change. Constant war. More war. And then more war.
And you want to grind partisan axes and blame groups you only identify when placed in context of a political party. It is just silly. Stop it. The Republicans are not in favor of free markets or limited government. The Democrats are not progressives. |
You demonstrate a deplorable lack of insight into American politics. Even for a foreigner. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Issues like DADT or homeless veterans exist for the left as abortion does for the right. They are useful stories to distract from the real non-partisan issues like war, empire and national bankruptcy. The most easy way to deal with homeless veterans is to stop creating more veterans. But ignore that, look at those damned Republicans! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
There was a good article up a few minutes ago, but I'm having computer problems and lost it. I'm sure another one will be up shortly.
The gist of it is that the GOP is using some Senate rule or other to shut off debate/discussion in committee hearings. As if you didn't know, various Senate committee hearings are held on issues, and then said committee begins work on legislation to address the issue. Yesterday and today the GOP has shut down committee meetings at 2 PM (presumably so they have more time to dally with their mistresses or under-age boyfriends in airport bathrooms...I don't know), but the committee that was discussing this particular problem was shut down at 11 am.
It is deplorable that the problem was allowed to get this large to begin with. What's a stronger word than 'deplorable' to say what the opposition party is doing to shut down work on addressing the problem? 'Childish' is no where near strong enough. |
That's nice for the GOP or the Dems or what ever the fudge.
How many Republicans still troll on this board? (show of hands?) Addressing this to three guys might be fun for your sense of partisan, politics as a football match, pissing tournament, but most people (at least here)have moved on, and could give a flying *beep*. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
There was a good article up a few minutes ago, but I'm having computer problems and lost it. I'm sure another one will be up shortly.
The gist of it is that the GOP is using some Senate rule or other to shut off debate/discussion in committee hearings. As if you didn't know, various Senate committee hearings are held on issues, and then said committee begins work on legislation to address the issue. Yesterday and today the GOP has shut down committee meetings at 2 PM (presumably so they have more time to dally with their mistresses or under-age boyfriends in airport bathrooms...I don't know), but the committee that was discussing this particular problem was shut down at 11 am.
It is deplorable that the problem was allowed to get this large to begin with. What's a stronger word than 'deplorable' to say what the opposition party is doing to shut down work on addressing the problem? 'Childish' is no where near strong enough. |
Can you give us more details than that? Is there some proposal dealing with homeless veterans. What is exactly going on. We have known about homeless veterans for decades and no one in power felt the problem should be addressed, and that it's their problem that they became weak or whatever. If you are not physically disabled, I don't think you will get help. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Senior wrote: |
| How many Republicans still troll on this board? (show of hands?) |
I think it's just that guy with the Reagan avatar and that guy with the shoe bomber avatar. The former just posts ridiculous, transparent trolling one-liners about patriotism and the latter hasn't posted anything in a while. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
| mises wrote: |
| Issues like DADT or homeless veterans exist for the left as abortion does for the right. They are useful stories to distract from the real non-partisan issues like war, empire and national bankruptcy. The most easy way to deal with homeless veterans is to stop creating more veterans. But ignore that, look at those damned Republicans! |
How is stopping the creation of new veterans an easy way to deal with the existing 100,000 veterans who are already homeless? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jaykimf wrote: |
| How is stopping the creation of new veterans an easy way to deal with the existing 100,000 veterans who are already homeless? |
For starters, it puts a cap on the number instead of the inevitable "surge" in homeless veterans that is inevitably going to happen.
More importantly, the money we're throwing away in Iraq and Afghanistan could've paid for mental health treatment and housing of existing homeless veterans. Instead, we're using that money on these wars and leaving homeless veterans on the street with nothing more than bullshit token gratitude on Veteran's Day that obviously doesn't mean anything to most Americans as evidenced by our vast homeless veteran population. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
