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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: Gepik 900,000 won deposit |
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Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively. |
Why do they do this? Is it even legal?
If you have your own place what possible reason could they have for taking your money? |
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br_owen
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| because it's not a housing deposit, it's 'don't run' insurance. I have no idea if it's legal. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Gepik 900,000 won deposit |
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| blackjack wrote: |
| If you have your own place what possible reason could they have for taking your money? |
It's not legal; and they do it as insurance against you 'pulling a runner' when you figure out no matter how many extra classes/how much 'overtime' you do, you will never get any extra money because of their creative accounting practices. |
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br_owen
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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i make over a million by teaching extra classes.
how do you know it's not legal? |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| br_owen wrote: |
i make over a million by teaching extra classes.
how do you know it's not legal? |
because it's almost like ransom... |
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grandpa
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I was told that it was to make sure I paid all my bills.
So I won't receive my 900,000 won deposit until after I've paid my last utility and cellphone bill. They will then wire the 900,000 won (minus any remaining bills) to my American bank account. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| grandpa wrote: |
I was told that it was to make sure I paid all my bills.
So I won't receive my 900,000 won deposit until after I've paid my last utility and cellphone bill. They will then wire the 900,000 won (minus any remaining bills) to my American bank account. |
But if you have your own place under your name, bills under your own name then it has nothing to do with the school |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| blackjack wrote: |
| grandpa wrote: |
I was told that it was to make sure I paid all my bills.
So I won't receive my 900,000 won deposit until after I've paid my last utility and cellphone bill. They will then wire the 900,000 won (minus any remaining bills) to my American bank account. |
But if you have your own place under your name, bills under your own name then it has nothing to do with the school |
But they still want to ensure that you pay all your bills in Korea before you leave. It's for the good of Korea.  |
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alpope23
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Gepik 900,000 won deposit |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| blackjack wrote: |
| If you have your own place what possible reason could they have for taking your money? |
It's not legal; and they do it as insurance against you 'pulling a runner' when you figure out no matter how many extra classes/how much 'overtime' you do, you will never get any extra money because of their creative accounting practices. |
How is it illegal? |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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It's definitely 'no run' and 'pay utility' insurance. It's legal if you sign the contract, I suppose.
This is pretty typical attitude here. Koreans haven't worked out that if you don't play around with Westerners, they will be happy - work well - and stay. But this isn't Confucian mentality. Everything here must be rules, and everyone must conform - happy or not.
The old British saying comes to mind: "The floggings will continue until morale improves." |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Let's put that part of the clause in context:
Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
To answer the question, "Is it legal?"
The answer is:
They CANNOT take it without your permission - it would be a violation of the labor standards act.
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IT IS LEGAL - Yes, PROVIDED you agreed in advance of it being done (like by signing the contract)
You agreed and gave permission when you signed. Don't like it, don't sign. There are other employers.
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DeLaRed
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Let's put that part of the clause in context:
Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
To answer the question, "Is it legal?"
The answer is:
They CANNOT take it without your permission - it would be a violation of the labor standards act.
BUT
IT IS LEGAL - Yes, PROVIDED you agreed in advance of it being done (like by signing the contract)
You agreed and gave permission when you signed. Don't like it, don't sign. There are other employers.
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If you want to work for a PS you don't have much choice? All public schools seem to have this clause. It's either sign the contract or work for a crapwon (or if you're lucky enough, a University) |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Let's put that part of the clause in context:
Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
To answer the question, "Is it legal?"
The answer is:
They CANNOT take it without your permission - it would be a violation of the labor standards act.
BUT
IT IS LEGAL - Yes, PROVIDED you agreed in advance of it being done (like by signing the contract)
You agreed and gave permission when you signed. Don't like it, don't sign. There are other employers.
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So if we did something illegal, that 900,000 would go towards our legal fees? |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Let's put that part of the clause in context:
Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
To answer the question, "Is it legal?"
The answer is:
They CANNOT take it without your permission - it would be a violation of the labor standards act.
BUT
IT IS LEGAL - Yes, PROVIDED you agreed in advance of it being done (like by signing the contract)
You agreed and gave permission when you signed. Don't like it, don't sign. There are other employers.
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If you want to work for a PS you don't have much choice? All public schools seem to have this clause. It's either sign the contract or work for a crapwon (or if you're lucky enough, a University) |
Well, there are stipulations in a contract that can be illegal. If this is the case, the law over rides them. Just because something is in a contract, doesn't mean it is set in stone. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| blackjack wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Let's put that part of the clause in context:
Employee shall be responsible for and protect Employer from any liability or damages arising from or in relation to any negligent, faulty, or illegal activity during the Term of Employment under this contract. Therefore, Employee shall agree in written form to provide 300,000 KRW per month to school administration office either on or by eighteenth (1 of every month for the first 3 months of employment until it amounts to a total of 900,000 KRW. Employee who has their own housing arrangement and married couples who are both employed by GPOE shall also be required to provide the deposit to school respectively.
To answer the question, "Is it legal?"
The answer is:
They CANNOT take it without your permission - it would be a violation of the labor standards act.
BUT
IT IS LEGAL - Yes, PROVIDED you agreed in advance of it being done (like by signing the contract)
You agreed and gave permission when you signed. Don't like it, don't sign. There are other employers.
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So if we did something illegal, that 900,000 would go towards our legal fees? |
protect Employer from any liability or damages
No, it would go toward paying for your negligence or towards restitution for your illegal activity.
- you get to pay your own legal expenses. |
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