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special_k



Joined: 23 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: 2-9pm hours and expectations Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I have a potential contract with the hours 2-9. They say you have to come in an hour earlier to plan lessons and will probably have about 30 classes per week 40-45mins each.

For those of you who work 2-9 and have a similar structure, do you have to come in early to prep and do you always get out at 9pm? Also, with the 30 classes, are these likely to be repeat classes or 30 different classes?
The contract says that report cards must be written once a month, if there are 30 different classes this would take ages!!!

They also state that there will be staff meetings 4 times a month outside work hours which will not be counted as overtime. Has anyone had any experience of this?

Thank you!! Very Happy
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 2-9pm hours and expectations Reply with quote

special_k wrote:
Hi everyone,

I have a potential contract with the hours 2-9. They say you have to come in an hour earlier to plan lessons and will probably have about 30 classes per week 40-45mins each.

For those of you who work 2-9 and have a similar structure, do you have to come in early to prep and do you always get out at 9pm? Also, with the 30 classes, are these likely to be repeat classes or 30 different classes?
The contract says that report cards must be written once a month, if there are 30 different classes this would take ages!!!

They also state that there will be staff meetings 4 times a month outside work hours which will not be counted as overtime. Has anyone had any experience of this?

Thank you!! Very Happy


Sounds like a typical hakwon to me. There are no surprises there.

It is nice that they confirm 30 classes instead of 30 classroom hours.

You will usually be out about 15-30 minutes after your last class. You need time to straighten your classroom, put your stuff away, get your coat on and leave.

Class prep in a hakwon usually consists of getting your tape/CD ready, waiting for the copy machine and making sure your markers work.
You will not likely be expected to crank out real (as in detailed) lesson plans for 30 classes.

Report cards at a hakwon are simple check boxes and a one or two sentence comment. They only take a minute or 2 (literally) and you will probably only have 10 different classes of kids (maybe 100-120 kids total) that you see 2 or 3 times per week that you will be doing report cards for.

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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a run of the mill crappy Hagwon contract... See if you can't find yourself something better...

(Unpaid OT is a deal breaker for me... At least in Korea where it means absolutly nothing)
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the school... sorry i know this statement never helps!

I had to arrive an hour before class for prep, I used that whole hour for the first month, after that it was waaay too much time to spend constructively on class prep.

My contract stated 30 classes too, but 80% of the people I knew working at hagwons never worked that many classes except during vacation time when they like to add lots of special classes. Usually I taught around 25 classes a week (45-50 mins each). In my case I saw every class only once a week, so I almost never repeated a lesson... I was lucky to have 2 classes using the same book. Even though I had to 'prepare' say 20 different classes a week, it didnt take too long. I never had to do reports though, and my school never forced me to go to meetings (because they were all in korean), even though I worked for a franchise and it was mandatory nationwide! (Supposedly). I wouldnt be keen on attending meetings weekly though, especially out of work hours! Once a month maybe... Oh, and I left straight after my last class, anywhere from 6-8pm. I only spent a maximum of 6 hours at work, even with a full class schedule...
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Kryten



Joined: 10 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: 2-9pm hours and expectations Reply with quote

special_k wrote:
They also state that there will be staff meetings 4 times a month outside work hours which will not be counted as overtime.
This right there is a big red flag for me. Meet 4 times a month without overtime? Sounds like you be having unpaid Saturday classes. Nah, it's probably not that bad, but this would be a deal breaker for me. Who the hell wants to meet outside work hours and not get paid? You can expect, "It's only for 30 minutes" and then before you know it an hour and a half has passed you by.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets see... I come in at 1:30pm, and classes start at 2:30pm. Preparation time takes about 5-30 minutes, depending on if I have to use the copier or not, and how much. Sometimes I have about 100 sheets to copy. Seems such a waste.

50 minutes per class, with 10 minute breaks in between until 7:20pm. I'm actually very very happy with this set up, but I'm not sure about others.
At 7:25 I have middle school classes of 40 minutes. Depending on the day, I either have two classes with a 40 minute break between them, or just one class and I can go home as soon as it's finished at 8pm ish.

However, we also do something called phone teaching where we call all the kids we teach, from Phonics level allll the way up to the teenagers in the evening for 5 minutes and write the commentary sheets for each one, which I tend to do as I'm on the phone, so an extra 5 minutes per student. This starts in the middle of the month and ends at the start of the next month.

This can keep me at school until 10:30 if I choose to finish them all early in the month, or you can spread it out evenly. But I doubt you'll get a phone thing, really. I don't think it's common?
It's a bit of a strange addition, really, but I don't mind.

The great thing is, is I don't have to think. The whole day is relaxing, and I spend about 2 hours of the day just reading, or chatting or whatever I'd do at home, really.

Basically - As little as 7.5 hours, up to 9 hours a day, but it sure doesn't feel that much.
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Chambertin



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It depends on the school... sorry i know this statement never helps!


It should help more than you think. It should prepare them to expect the unexpected. To me that is Hagwon life.

The best way I can put it is there are regimented schools where you will be doing something even if it is not necessary for the prep time, there are open schools where that time is yours to facebook with, and there are the schools where its a god sent to be forced into work early as you find out quick you really need the prep time.

It all depends on how the school is run and is it their, our, or your lesson plan.
It could be a manual on a desk, an open plan with a solid regiment, or a "here's your kids, good luck" place.
I had the last of the three, and I like it but I must admit I took on extra classes and started showing up much earlier than required when I got a key to the building.

Overall it looks like a standard schedule as stated. I would guess more of a set pace school as the classes are under the 50 min mark. Good luck and hope it works for ya.

EDIT:
The big up in the air factor is the call in policy. Some Hagwons have the kids call in, others have you call them. I�m pretty sure most places have the kids call for the daily word list and homework check.
From my experience and talking to others there's no major benefit to either. Personally I like no one knowing my number, so I will stay after in school to have them call me.

Other people like leaving right after last class and calling students from home. It only took one talky mother to make me sit arround after class for the extra 15 mins.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 2-9pm hours and expectations Reply with quote

Kryten wrote:
special_k wrote:
They also state that there will be staff meetings 4 times a month outside work hours which will not be counted as overtime.
This right there is a big red flag for me. Meet 4 times a month without overtime? Sounds like you be having unpaid Saturday classes. Nah, it's probably not that bad, but this would be a deal breaker for me. Who the hell wants to meet outside work hours and not get paid? You can expect, "It's only for 30 minutes" and then before you know it an hour and a half has passed you by.


I'd be more likely to say that these "outside staff meetings" are drunken noraebang...i mean co-worker bonding sessions rather than classes. But of course if you interview there, your first question will be what these staff meetings consist of.
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're gonna be tired as hell after the first week...

welcome to hogwon hell...
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Globutron wrote:

Basically - As little as 7.5 hours, up to 9 hours a day, but it sure doesn't feel that much.


LOL

Laughing
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vassalage



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you interviewed at the school yet? You can get an idea from the owner. What area is it in? Daechi/Dogok is a hard core English area that usually requires a lot of extra work. Definitely talk to one of the old teachers.....someone who has been there a while.
Are you replacing a teacher or has anothers contract just finished.
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special_k



Joined: 23 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for all ur comments people. It was a couple position, they emailed me saying they would pass on our details to the director for an interview so I replied with phone times. Then they reply telling me it's already been given to another couple! Grrrr without even getting an interview!! What could I have done wrong, I emailed her about 5 mins after the job was posted on here lol.

I will be looking for these hours though, so all ur comments are noted!!!

xx
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seonsengnimble



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're teaching 30 classes a week, chances are you won't be teaching 30 different classes. In my experience, I've always had MWF classes and T/TH classes. So, in total, I would expect 12 classes.
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preperation for hakwon classes...lol.

"Hey kids...what page are we on?" should be all the prep you need.
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