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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: HALLELUJAH! MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION ON CA BALLOT IN NOVEMBER! |
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Excuse the caps in the headline, but this makes me SOOOOOO happy that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Could the insanity end? Could it???
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| California voters will decide this November whether to legalize and regulate adult recreational use of marijuana as the Secretary of State today certified that a Bay Area-based effort to put the issue on the ballot has collected enough signatures to do so. |
Of course CA voters also banned same sex marriage last November, but crap, there is hope here. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Good news. The California Correctional Peace Officers Association will be throwing hoards of cash around to kill this.
Does it have to be 50% + 1? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Good news. The California Correctional Peace Officers Association will be throwing hoards of cash around to kill this.
Does it have to be 50% + 1? |
yes. as opposed to what? 2/3s or something like that?
And of course those running for Governor are against it. Like Jerry Brown really thinks it would be bad to legalize pot. Please. More pandering bs. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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bb,
The excitement that is evident in your OP is excitement about MEDICAL marijuana only, right? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No, crap, that was legalized back in 1996. Recreational use. And my excitement isn't so I'd feel more comfortable using. I haven't smoked up in ages, and wouldn't even it if it were legal. I don't like the stuff. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Its just like Eric Shlosser (of Fast Food Nation fame) predicted. Once the government gets broke enough, they will let this happen to gain another revenue stream. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
Good news. The California Correctional Peace Officers Association will be throwing hoards of cash around to kill this.
Does it have to be 50% + 1? |
yes. as opposed to what? 2/3s or something like that?
And of course those running for Governor are against it. Like Jerry Brown really thinks it would be bad to legalize pot. Please. More pandering bs. |
I think mises means this shouldn't be a question for the ballot boxes but for the State's high court. But the problem is that the Supreme Court has already dropped the ball on this question.
Anyway, Eric Holder's position on this is pretty clear:
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| It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana, but we will not tolerate drug traffickers who hide behind claims of compliance with state law to mask activities that are clearly illegal. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It doesn't make any difference if California legalizes marijuna because marijuana is illegal under federal law statutes. Federal law supercedes state law. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| It doesn't make any difference if California legalizes marijuna because marijuana is illegal under federal law statutes. Federal law supercedes state law. |
While the reason behind your conclusion is correct, I totally disagree that it doesn't make a difference. Medical marijuana is federally illegal, but state measures legitimizing medical marijuana eventually led to the Obama administration formally announcing that the feds would no longer target medical marijuana users (whether or not they lived up to this claim is another issue). Also, having a state with legalized marijuana will likely lead to court cases which could overturn the federal law itself. In any event, it's not perfect, but it is progress. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Pot is an absolutely terrible drug.
(Got any?) |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| It doesn't make any difference if California legalizes marijuna because marijuana is illegal under federal law statutes. Federal law supercedes state law. |
Do you think Californians care? They still grow mega pot in the Emerald triangle to support the medical marijuana industry. Medical marijuana is also technically illegal due to federal law superceding state laws, but the United States is increasingly becoming the Divided States of America. Both California and Texas are large enough to split off and become their own respective countries, but this will inevitably lead to more conflicts of interest and crime. |
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Street Magic
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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High time (whoops) that it was legalized and regulated and that law authorities freed up resources to combat serious drugs and other crimes. It would also take away a revenue stream from the Mexican drug trade. This ought to be a no-brainer.
My prediction that in my lifetime Players and Marlboro will be selling marijuana and that tobacco will be illegal is slowly coming true.
I would guess that it will even in a best case scenario still be illegal for under 21s. Sorry, college students. Don't throw away those heat lamps. |
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jhuntingtonus
Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Legalization makes sense. It would replace billions spent trying to enforce the laws and imprisoning dealers with billions coming in as taxes. Read somewhere that over 40% of Americans are now in favor of legalization! And most, I sincerely think, are like me and would NEVER use it themselves, even if legal. So why not? It will be legal nationally within 30 years, tops. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| It doesn't make any difference if California legalizes marijuna because marijuana is illegal under federal law statutes. Federal law supercedes state law. |
While the reason behind your conclusion is correct, I totally disagree that it doesn't make a difference. Medical marijuana is federally illegal, but state measures legitimizing medical marijuana eventually led to the Obama administration formally announcing that the feds would no longer target medical marijuana users (whether or not they lived up to this claim is another issue). Also, having a state with legalized marijuana will likely lead to court cases which could overturn the federal law itself. In any event, it's not perfect, but it is progress. |
Sums it up exactly. And it sends a message to politicians everywhere: voters aren't going to fall for this war on drugs BS. |
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