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hyunone
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: bringing a family to korea |
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The more I read up on the subject it appears that there is a growing population of mixed marriages with kids. What do people do about school? My husband is Korean and his dad is sick, we may come back to Korea. But, we'd homeschool (in addition to teachingYikes!) Anyone out there with kids ? I'd love to hear from you thanks! |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have a kid in high school here. How old are your kids, and what is their level of Korean proficiency? |
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hyunone
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: kids in korea |
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I have three girls. All elementary school age. They are just beginning to study korean (with Dad). How is it socially for mixed kids? Are your kids happy in korea? Thanks |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Location: in the classroom
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Search my posts. I have two kids in elementary and my husband is Korean as well. I know many families here who homeschool. I wouldn't have the patience to do that plus I'm the stable money maker in the family. My kids go to the same school as me and study in Korean.
They've been treated well..don't listen to the naysayers who say mixed kids get treated badly. I would say that it's a case by case basis and that if you come from a richer country and speak English the kids will be fine.
I think that the biggest issue that comes up with kids that most people don't figure on is the pollution. The first year we were here we all got sick often . This second year we were stronger but the pollution still affects us. I know other families who suffer a lot with allergies (the hacking/throwing up crap type of allergies).
You can find good doctors and the cost won't kill you, but they love to prescribe tons of pills without explaining what they are and you have to come back every 3 days. With 3 kids this can become very time consuming and frustrating.
Other than the pollution, Korea is a great short-term experience for kids from my point of view. |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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My 15 year old is not Asian/Korean and speaks no Korean as of yet. At her high school, she is treated like a celebrity, and perhaps, this is as big a problem as poor treatment.
I only looked at high schools with English language programs, and my kid is now in a great school with many native speaking teachers. It's a public school so the tuition isn't too bad either! Can't offer much advice at the elementary school level since I only looked at options for high school.
With three kids, the cost of an international school's tuition would be huge unless you worked for the school. |
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hyunone
Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info! I appreciate it! How about Friends? Was it easy for your kids to make friends ( not just kids who gawk at them) Also my nine year old LOVES to read has anyone had trouble finding books? |
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sunihaze
Joined: 29 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: |
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think very seriously about bringing your children here.
there are fundamental differences in between "western" and Korean culture and these can impact your childrens' development at critcal junctures in their cognative & identity development.
They will be taught that its ok and even encouraged to *white lie* to make the *whoever higher than you* look good. When you find your children have a problem with telling lies you will have to battle peer pressure as well as the reinforcing authority of the teacher who says this is the proper way to keep peace & harmony is to lie & eat the shit that rolls down hill.
They will be taught to steal and learn that it's ok as long as you can prove you're the alpha child & the classroom harmony depends on them keeping said stolen item. See above for secondary problems
They will not learn to problem solve by using comparative & relative judgements. infact, this will be strongly discouraged.
I have seen many children here, and know many very well. I also know that Korea is not the place to expose small children to unless you are willing to put up with the bad habits they will pick up (lying, stealing & problems with ethical & cognative developments) well into their adulthood.
patterns you set with children will last more than one lifetime, it will be yours, theirs & their childrens. think carefully before you bring your children here. You have too many to give each one the attention they will need to avoid learning ways that will make them "unsociable" when they return to the west.
(PS stealing might be a bit "harsh", unless your a realistic hogwan teacher & you recognize that as Koreans get older, it's not called stealing anymore, it's called "negotiating" ~ where do you think they learned it from?? THEIR parents of course!)
Dont do it. Unless you have the funds/time/manpower to really keep on top of their upbringing, you will regret it. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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sunihaze wrote: |
I have seen many children here, and know many very well. I also know that Korea is not the place to expose small children to unless you are willing to put up with the bad habits they will pick up (lying, stealing & problems with ethical & cognative developments) well into their adulthood.
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I think you are being outrageously pessimistic. It's like saying don't send your kids to school in the U.S. because they'll turn into AIDS-ridden crack addicts who eventually get shot. Which I'm sure some Koreans believe.  |
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sunihaze
Joined: 29 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's like saying don't send your kids to school in the U.S. because they'll turn into AIDS-ridden crack addicts who eventually get shot. |
close but no cookie for you madoka
at least in the US she'd have the chance to join the PTA & volunteer in the classroom giving her an opportunity to have more input in her childrens' education. and if she's in the ghetto, yes, she'd deal with madoka's issues
Here, she's not going to be welcome to actually input anything more than the free english lessons. And I guess you have to add to that, even kids dying in the same room dont warrent a 119 call ask Mike White's mom.
still, I would say to be careful anytime in any country where you dont have easy access to your children. Add the language barrier and "cultural differences that can kill" and you've got 3 kids who are at risk for trouble.
there are two little american girls that live on this block. I see them out & about with their little korean girlfriends. Shopkeepers dont watch ANY of these kids as they play on the wide corner sidewalks~ much less special attention to the little whities. And the K-kids are teaching the whities to cross without looking to chase a ball~ not the other way around of whitie showing the k-kids proper selfsafety rules.
Actually the oldest girl is a horrid liar, her parents are having quite the time trying to get her to stop. Too bad they are kimchi cheerleaders and dont seem to get it that every other adult in the kid's life is reinforcing the lying is ok bit, while mom & dad lose the battle at home with their ingenious lectures & in home demos about lying is bad.
Not only is she a liar, she's getting a bit full of herself always being the "pretty princess" with lots of invitations to give free english to all the kids in her classes... parents knock themselves over to have her in their home and the kimchi cheerleaders think this is way cool (free babysitting & all that)
somehow, letting a lying child into the home of strangers no matter how nice they might look on the outside isn't a good idea for many reasons. She could lie about events in the home causing trouble OR be abused in someway (usually starts small with just touching & * tickling*) and no one believes her.
Sadly, these two little girls are not the only ones, just hang out at a playdate & listen to the trouble parents have keeping their value systems intack against the onslaught of demand for Korean conformity~ kids are very impressionable.
at least I sleep with a clear conscious knowing I"ve told the OP the truth about what shes REALLY going to face with her THREE kids here. If folks would support reality a little more & drop the kimchi pompoms for a while, the reality the rest of the world shares just might seep into and take over the "korean reality" |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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hyunone wrote: |
Thanks for the info! I appreciate it! How about Friends? Was it easy for your kids to make friends ( not just kids who gawk at them) Also my nine year old LOVES to read has anyone had trouble finding books? |
Making friends appears to be no problem. After one week at school, she had about 40 kids numbers in her mobile phone. True some kids just want to practice English or hang out with the foreign kid, but most seem to be decent kids.
English language books can be found here. I borrow most of what I read. Have you taken a look at Project Gutenburg? I would guess that you could find many of your favorite childhood books there for free.
http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/ |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Location: in the classroom
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting point of view sunihaze. So far, my kids haven't shown any signs of becoming horrid kimchi cheerleader liers, but I'll keep my eyes open for that.
I did notice some differences in their behaviour though. When my kids get in trouble and I talk to them about it, they don't look me in the eye anymore. Very Korean style. I had teach them that they have to look at me otherwise they look like they are hiding something.
And my son also became very whiny and would cry more easily...I attributed that to both culture shock and the fact that crying from boys is more acceptable here. I had to work on the crying because I didn't want him to look weak if we go back to Canada.
On the positive side, my kids both think studying and being smart are good things to achieve in school rather than popularity.
But, all in all, I don't think my kids have become damaged beyond repair. But I'm a very involved parent and I think that that might have something to do with it. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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sunihaze wrote: |
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It's like saying don't send your kids to school in the U.S. because they'll turn into AIDS-ridden crack addicts who eventually get shot. |
close but no cookie for you madoka
at least in the US she'd have the chance to join the PTA & volunteer in the classroom giving her an opportunity to have more input in her childrens' education. and if she's in the ghetto, yes, she'd deal with madoka's issues
Here, she's not going to be welcome to actually input anything more than the free english lessons. And I guess you have to add to that, even kids dying in the same room dont warrent a 119 call ask Mike White's mom.
still, I would say to be careful anytime in any country where you dont have easy access to your children. Add the language barrier and "cultural differences that can kill" and you've got 3 kids who are at risk for trouble.
there are two little american girls that live on this block. I see them out & about with their little korean girlfriends. Shopkeepers dont watch ANY of these kids as they play on the wide corner sidewalks~ much less special attention to the little whities. And the K-kids are teaching the whities to cross without looking to chase a ball~ not the other way around of whitie showing the k-kids proper selfsafety rules.
Actually the oldest girl is a horrid liar, her parents are having quite the time trying to get her to stop. Too bad they are kimchi cheerleaders and dont seem to get it that every other adult in the kid's life is reinforcing the lying is ok bit, while mom & dad lose the battle at home with their ingenious lectures & in home demos about lying is bad.
Not only is she a liar, she's getting a bit full of herself always being the "pretty princess" with lots of invitations to give free english to all the kids in her classes... parents knock themselves over to have her in their home and the kimchi cheerleaders think this is way cool (free babysitting & all that)
somehow, letting a lying child into the home of strangers no matter how nice they might look on the outside isn't a good idea for many reasons. She could lie about events in the home causing trouble OR be abused in someway (usually starts small with just touching & * tickling*) and no one believes her.
Sadly, these two little girls are not the only ones, just hang out at a playdate & listen to the trouble parents have keeping their value systems intack against the onslaught of demand for Korean conformity~ kids are very impressionable.
at least I sleep with a clear conscious knowing I"ve told the OP the truth about what shes REALLY going to face with her THREE kids here. If folks would support reality a little more & drop the kimchi pompoms for a while, the reality the rest of the world shares just might seep into and take over the "korean reality" |
Has to be one of the most hate filled culture bashing posts I've read in quite a while. I certainly hope Ms. Sunyhaze is no longer associated in anyway with the education system in Korea, and I do hope the door hit her on the way out. |
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Solarian
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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T-J wrote: |
sunihaze wrote: |
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It's like saying don't send your kids to school in the U.S. because they'll turn into AIDS-ridden crack addicts who eventually get shot. |
close but no cookie for you madoka
at least in the US she'd have the chance to join the PTA & volunteer in the classroom giving her an opportunity to have more input in her childrens' education. and if she's in the ghetto, yes, she'd deal with madoka's issues
Here, she's not going to be welcome to actually input anything more than the free english lessons. And I guess you have to add to that, even kids dying in the same room dont warrent a 119 call ask Mike White's mom.
still, I would say to be careful anytime in any country where you dont have easy access to your children. Add the language barrier and "cultural differences that can kill" and you've got 3 kids who are at risk for trouble.
there are two little american girls that live on this block. I see them out & about with their little korean girlfriends. Shopkeepers dont watch ANY of these kids as they play on the wide corner sidewalks~ much less special attention to the little whities. And the K-kids are teaching the whities to cross without looking to chase a ball~ not the other way around of whitie showing the k-kids proper selfsafety rules.
Actually the oldest girl is a horrid liar, her parents are having quite the time trying to get her to stop. Too bad they are kimchi cheerleaders and dont seem to get it that every other adult in the kid's life is reinforcing the lying is ok bit, while mom & dad lose the battle at home with their ingenious lectures & in home demos about lying is bad.
Not only is she a liar, she's getting a bit full of herself always being the "pretty princess" with lots of invitations to give free english to all the kids in her classes... parents knock themselves over to have her in their home and the kimchi cheerleaders think this is way cool (free babysitting & all that)
somehow, letting a lying child into the home of strangers no matter how nice they might look on the outside isn't a good idea for many reasons. She could lie about events in the home causing trouble OR be abused in someway (usually starts small with just touching & * tickling*) and no one believes her.
Sadly, these two little girls are not the only ones, just hang out at a playdate & listen to the trouble parents have keeping their value systems intack against the onslaught of demand for Korean conformity~ kids are very impressionable.
at least I sleep with a clear conscious knowing I"ve told the OP the truth about what shes REALLY going to face with her THREE kids here. If folks would support reality a little more & drop the kimchi pompoms for a while, the reality the rest of the world shares just might seep into and take over the "korean reality" |
Has to be one of the most hate filled culture bashing posts I've read in quite a while. I certainly hope Ms. Sunyhaze is no longer associated in anyway with the education system in Korea, and I do hope the door hit her on the way out. |
+1 I was trying to find fitting language to describe her posts, and I think that "paranoia driven insanity" is the best I could come up with.
Countries have problems, if you think that children in North America are taught to be good, virtuous individuals, then you have one WILD imagination.
In my opinion, had your children been raised in a US/Canadian school system they would have learned the following:
It is completely fine to be an inadequate underachiever. Your parents, or the taxpayers will be sure to support you when you fail miserably at fending for yourself. If this doesn't work out, be sure to join a labor union of some sort, they will take care of all your problems, at the low cost of damaging the nation's economy to such a degree that it may never recover again.
You should consume more than what you earn, because this is the only way to present proper social status. Your neighbours are doing the same, and you don't want to appear like you are less well off than them, do you?
When you make the mistake of having children you can't support, because you're wrapped up with working to support your hyperconsumer lifestyle, you should at no point even acknowledge their existence. This may cause them to grow up as proper individuals with respect for family, their elders and authority. This completely undermines social convention in the west, and we cannot risk this happening.
You should also never punish your children, so that they grow up believing there are no consequences to their actions whatsoever.
So, how was that for a thinking exercise? If you abandon all reason and common sense, then proceed to blow every problem out of proportion, you can write a pretty compelling argument. The only downside is that anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know you are a crazy person. Oh well, sacrifices have to be made for the sake of winning an argument on the internet. |
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air76
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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While sunihaze is probably exaggerating quite a bit, there is no way in hell that I'd allow my children to be educated in Korea. I can understand that there would certainly be some positives to the experience, but definitely beyond elementary school I'd want my kids in an international school and not a public school.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't come if you have kids...but just that I certainly wouldn't want anyone I cared about educated by the Korean system.
I love that term "kimchee cheerleader", though....I am definitely going to hang on to that one. I worked with a kimchee cheerleader last year and it was excruciatingly annoying. |
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Lolimahro
Joined: 19 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I'd be really interested to hear the experiences of people who have children not of Korean descent in the Korean school system. My family could be here awhile and my son might be in elementary school before we leave Korea. International school is not an option for us.
My son is in a Korean daycare now (and has been since he was a year old) so we hope he will be fluent enough for elementary school if it comes to that. Just not sure about every other part of the experience. |
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