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"Koreaphiles", know any?
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: "Koreaphiles", know any? Reply with quote

I'd never call myself one. Do you know when you're in ______ Eastern European / Middle Eastern country and you hear local music that sounds like it was heavily influenced by American music, albeit with some local flavour? When I hear K-pop/see K-fashion I think exactly the same thing. It doesn't really stick out to me at all and when it does it's just a matter of it being catchy enough to hold my ears for a few listens before being forgotten about forever.

I don't like R&B to begin with and I find most K-pop borrows heavily from that genre. That and boy bands, rap, etc. To be honest I find all of it to be so contrived that it's really annoying. People react to it in the same way they reacted to Big Bands in the US back in the 50s. It's hopelessly manufactured, no diversity or "soul" whatsoever.

I work with another foreigner who became infatuated with Korea before even coming because she's just obsessed with Korean culture in the same way Westerners are obsessed with Japanese culture. If I were to be an anything 'phile', I guess I'd be on the Japan side as I've liked Japanese everything since I was old enough to crawl (about the time I got a Nintendo). It's not even that I like Japanese stuff because it's Japanese, it's simply because a lot of the stuff I like just so happens to come from there.

Anyway, can someone explain this phenomenon to me? Did it influence you to come here?

...and why oh why is it getting so popular in other Asian countries? What's with this "Korea is the new Japan" business? Give it 20-50 years, then maybe.

One thing, though, Korean cinema *is* generally pretty good. I've seen a few Korean films I'd call classics. Just like with anything, though, the fans aren't watching the classics, they're watching those terrible, melodramatic soap oper--*ahem*, dramas.
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placeshifter



Joined: 23 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a lot of Koreaphiles -- mostly younger European girls into K-Rock, K-Dramas, K-Films, Korean culture, and Korean guys.

There's also a subset into Korean films from an art house perspective.

Much larger number of Japanophiles though. I even know European girls who go to Japan specifically to hook up with / marry Japanese guys. And these girls are hot!
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Gaber



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember a Canadian girl who was here with her white boyfriend who really loved K-hop (?), but generally they seem rare to me.
To me a lot of Korean pop-culture seems derivative and lacking the unique streak that you get in Anime or Kirosawa movies. It still is very entertaining, but international audiences aren't usually going to be drawn to the same themes and techniques they saw a couple of years back re-presented with a subs.
I think in our generation we will see some internationally respected auteurs emerge from this country. Pak Chan-ook is well on the way. But Korea needs to break from some of the communalist mores if innovation is going to flourish. In other fields they are doing great with refining and improving existing techs, but in the so called creative fields, it is just that, creativity and original thought that gain respect. Japan and Hongkong earned their Sinophiles and Japanophiles with exciting new movie making techinques - Japan with it's Anime and HK with it's kinetic action and martial arts movies. The psychological drama of Pak Chan-ook's movies has a lot of potential, but doesn't seem like the sort of thing a 'wave' is made of.
I do love this country, but I'd never call my self a 'Koreaophile'.

Also, if anyone can recommend a quality modern Korean author who has been translated into English I'd be very appreciative. That's starting to feel like something I'm laking.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly I can take it or leave it..but movies..
I've got 2 external hard drives with about 500 Korean movies on them..
on average I find them to be far more entertaining than western films.
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kinerry



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
Mostly I can take it or leave it..but movies..
I've got 2 external hard drives with about 500 Korean movies on them..
on average I find them to be far more entertaining than western films.


Most of them are cheap rip offs, so I fail to see how that's even possible.

Care to name a few dozen originals?
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied at Sogang University for a while and you will find many Koreaphiles there (not surprisingly!)....
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few, and they all seemed to be attracted to the conservative aspects of the culture, more so than pop culture trends
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janafromfrance



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

placeshifter wrote:
I know a lot of Koreaphiles -- mostly younger European girls into K-Rock, K-Dramas, K-Films, Korean culture, and Korean guys.

There's also a subset into Korean films from an art house perspective.

Much larger number of Japanophiles though. I even know European girls who go to Japan specifically to hook up with / marry Japanese guys. And these girls are hot!



LOL this has got to be the funniest post I have ever read.

I guess you are using verbal irony.
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UknowsI



Joined: 16 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only real Koreaphiles I've met have actually been girls. They were completely in love with the handsome Korean men from their favourite K-dramas. K-dramas might be a bit away from reality though...
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a couple of K movies off the top that I really liked and that I thought were quite original:

My Sassy Girl
Old Boy
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayorgc wrote:
a couple of K movies off the top that I really liked and that I thought were quite original:

My Sassy Girl
Old Boy


I've watched about 100/500. You can't always pass a movie up. if its a popular movie it might be around for awhile, but some movies you've either gotta get it while the torrent is hot or beg for a reseed later and hope someone fills it. So I've got plenty on my to watch list.

I've found most of the 100 I've watched to be decent. There have been a few mediocre ones and a couple of stinkers.
Compared with the last 100 western movies I've watched, that puts it ahead "on average".

I never said every korean movie was gold.

In terms of good movies:
Memories of Murder
Attack the Gas Station
Welcome to Dongmakgol
My Teacher, Mr Kim
JSA
Save the Green Planet
Passage to Buddha
Anarchists
Some
Time
Last Witness
Friend
Fighter in the wind
M
Dachimawa Lee
Calla
Interview
Taegukgi
etc
etc
I've found quite a few enjoyable comedies
most of the films I've watched that are based on true stories (recent and historical) have been quite good. I left most of the movies in that category. I'm not going to type of a list of around 50 or 60 movies right now.

A couple I can think of right off to stay away from:
Conduct Zero
Spy Girl (both teen movies of little substance)
Woman is the future of man (it felt very unfinished)

Sure there are derivative films, but there are derivative films in every country. There is a thriving indy scene in Korea, but you sometimes have to wait awhile to get subs for that.. they're apparently so low budget they can't pay a guy a day's wages to translate the films. I would say that of all the Korean movies I've watched, about 80% I'd easily watch again if someone asked me. I don't think I could say the same for western movies.

If you want something really original look up a Korean film called "Mago"
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Hightop



Joined: 11 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is gonna become a Korean movie thread I want to give some big ups to Peppermint Candy 박하 사탕. The best Korean movie I have seen, one of my all time favorites.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a Koreaphile before I came to Korea. Now I just live here. I have developed an intense love/hate relationship with the place. But I still dig Korean cinema. My favorites are 거미숲 (Spider Forest) and Happy End. I also like any movie with Song Kang-ho in it. That guy is awesome. And Jeon Do-yeon is a fantastic actress, anything with her in it is good too.
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SeoulMan99



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taegukgi was one of the best war movies I have seen. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys war movies.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will find there are fans of diverse ethnic backgrounds from all over the world if you get involved in any big international Korean entertainment forums. In many cases, they are young and they almost "grew up" with K-entertainment. K-pop has some catchy tunes but what they really like is usually the celebrities themselves. From what I have seen, if they are non-Asian, they usually get introduced to K-pop shortly after they first come across J-pop (after getting into anime most likely) as there are quite a few popular K-celebs in the J-pop scene. When it comes to live performing while dancing, I think Korean pop singers do better than their Japanese counterparts in general. As for K-dramas, it's all about finding the good original ones because they can be quite entertaining. You have to be selective as Korea makes just too many dramas and it's hard to know better if you don't read any forums. Chuno (The Slave Hunters) on KBS2 is very popular these days. Korean cinema tends to have followers of more gender-even and age-diverse demography and many of you guys seem to already know something.
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