Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

..is Korea ready for multiculturalism?
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: ..is Korea ready for multiculturalism? Reply with quote

Judging by the way Koreans swear under their breath and move away from wherever I am sitting....no.
But the recently founded Korea multicultural Congress (KMC) is planning to rectify all that.


Korea Times march 31

Kwon Young-kee, president of the Korea Multicultural Congress (KMC) says "education" is the key to promoting multiculturalism in Korea.

"There are around 1.2 million foreigners in Korea, but the number will soon rise to 4 to 5 million.

He noted that multiculturalism is a necessity, not a choice, citing Korea's low birthrate.

"Korean women deliver none or only one child, while married immigrants have three or four. In some 50 years, the faces of Koreans might change, too," Kwon said. "If it is unavoidable, we have to open up our hearts and break away from the stereotype of the homogeneous ethnic group."

According to Kwon, social welfare makes up just a small portion of multicultural issues. "Multiculturalism is a concept that should be discussed at the historical and philosophical level.

Within several years, children from multicultural families will be reaching the age to enter mandatory military service, but the Ministry of National Defense may not be prepared to accommodate them. "Should we mix them with Korean soldiers in barracks or segregate multicultural soldiers?" Kwon asked.

He also thinks it is crucial to train civil servants in multiculturalism. "Government employees distribute social resources and they have to properly understand and realize what multiculturalism is," he said. "We will have many professors interested in multiculturalism at our research institute, which will be established in April."

Another factor will be to educate children. "Young children need to understand that we live with people who might look different and being different is a sign of diversity, not a bad thing.

Kwon hopes that within 10 years, Korea will become a society where people feel comfortable with those who look different from them. "Some might still feel reluctant, but when the majority open up their hearts, Korea will be a truly multicultural society."
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/04/117_63403.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TK421



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: ..is Korea ready for multiculturalism? Reply with quote

Has to start somewhere. Hopefully this upcoming generation that we're currently teaching will change things. The only Koreans that I'm friends with are ones that spent time abroad. I don't think that's a coincidence that those are the ones willing to give me the time of day. I don't think it's a coincidence that those are the ones that don't show signs of extreme geographical and cultural ignorance.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about all this 'globalisation' and 'multi-cultural' stuff just last weekend. I was walking through the red light district to get to the public bus terminal (a weekly jaunt). I passed a nightclub that has hundreds of little foreign flags flying outside it's main entrance. Quite impressive - especially with a huge sign in English (NIGHT CLUB).

I had to laugh, as I remember walking past this place last year - much later at night - and having the bouncers walk out and gesture "No way you're getting in here" gestures. As if I'd want to.

Multi-cultralism and globalisation. I don't think so. Not yet, anyway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: ..is Korea ready for multiculturalism? Reply with quote

TK421 wrote:
Has to start somewhere. Hopefully this upcoming generation that we're currently teaching will change things. The only Koreans that I'm friends with are ones that spent time abroad. I don't think that's a coincidence that those are the ones willing to give me the time of day. I don't think it's a coincidence that those are the ones that don't show signs of extreme geographical and cultural ignorance.


Naw, the other ones just think your weird.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Olivencia



Joined: 08 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like an on the spot amputation. There will be screaming and crying and cursing because of it but in order to survive it must be done.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Materialistically yes, but culturally no. They embrace the worldly material trappings, but not the foreigners. I was walking down a city street today and a man in his late 40's stopped, stepped aside, gave me a hateful face, and pointed for me to move away. I just said, "adjoshi, what?" He scampered off as if he were scared of me. Because he is xenophobic, he simply could not just walk by me without being rude. These sorts of awkward situations are a daily occurance multiple times so it's not just a few isolated incidents like it might be in most countries, but Korea is not most countries. Korea is for the Koreans only, but it will probably be more open to multiculturalism in 10 or 20 years from now. An unintended effect of the English teaching will be a Korean people who act like people do in most places giving no special attention to those who are a bit different than themselves. I mean what if you were in the West, you seen an Asian man walking towards you, stopped, gave him a mean face, and pointed for him to move away? Think about it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Judging by the way Koreans swear under their breath and move away from wherever I am sitting....no.

I'd really like to do an honest to goodness neutral study on what it is that leads to some people apparently being despised by Koreans without interacting with them and others to having zero issue.
is it appearance? geographic area? etc
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Yangachi



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I mean what if you were in the West, you seen an Asian man walking towards you, stopped, gave him a mean face, and pointed for him to move away? Think about it.


Because incidents like this, or perhaps far worse, never happen to minorities living in the West.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
Quote:
Judging by the way Koreans swear under their breath and move away from wherever I am sitting....no.

I'd really like to do an honest to goodness neutral study on what it is that leads to some people apparently being despised by Koreans without interacting with them and others to having zero issue.
is it appearance? geographic area? etc


Lack of interraction is the main problem in the first place.

If i walk into e.g. a PC Bang, the whole place stiffens and tenses up. people baulk at sitting anywhere near me and make excuses to change seats. if someone does, they sit rigid as a board, trembling and sweating as if they were about to face execution.

however if they hear me say a few words of greeting in korean to the owner, the atmosphere instantly relaxes. I have suddenly become human in their eyes.

As the language barrier fades, things will really lighten up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

Lack of interraction is the main problem in the first place.

If i walk into e.g. a PC Bang, the whole place stiffens and tenses up. people baulk at sitting anywhere near me and make excuses to change seats. if someone does, they sit rigid as a board, trembling and sweating as if they were about to face execution.

however if they hear me say a few words of greeting in korean to the owner, the atmosphere instantly relaxes. I have suddenly become human in their eyes.

As the language barrier fades, things will really lighten up.
except there are many that don't interact that don't have that same experience. That is what I'd like to to figure out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I'd really like to do an honest to goodness neutral study on what it is that leads to some people apparently being despised by Koreans without interacting with them and others to having zero issue.
is it appearance? geographic area? et


I'm with crossmr on this one. I've been here for 10 months now and I never get any of this racist stuff thrown at me. I am in Seoul, but some of the stories I hear about blow me away and I think they are exaggerated a bit.
The only time I get an absolute look of hate is when walking with a Korean woman. These looks are mainly from the 50+ crowd and I can't blame them. Foreigners only just arrived here and you can't expect them to just open up to the idea of foreigners in their country with the snap of a finger. My grandparents were racist as hell and foreigners have been in Canada a lot longer. Decades passed and they still couldn't get over it. I would expect the same from the older Korean crowd as it isn;t any different. The younger crowd is quite a bit more accepting I think.

I would also like to see some sort of study on the people that have daily negative interactions with the locals and where. Something tells me there has got to be more to it than the whole every Korean thinks I'm scum and I never do anything wrong schtick.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Foreigners only just arrived here and you can't expect them to just open up to the idea of foreigners in their country with the snap of a finger.

Foreign English teachers first came here over 125 years ago, but I agree with the older generation. We often hold on to the first term/idea that we have about something as we get older. The older generation often has ideas or things that are no longer appropriate, but 30 years ago might have been okay.

It is difficult for them to change.

Quote:
Something tells me there has got to be more to it than the whole every Korean thinks I'm scum and I never do anything wrong schtick.

+1000000
I would expect some variance for individual experience, but evened out over the sheer volume of random people you meet in a given day, it becomes much more difficult to imagine why it is that someone people just never seem to have problems while others do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no fashionista, but I've found dressing well seems to work wonders with the older crowd's attitude.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what its worth...considering the low birth rate in Korea (like other countries..ie Japan), immigration and the ensuing multi-culturalism will become economically inevitable at some point.

What will be interesting then is HOW this is handled....it can differ from working reasonably well in Canada to creating a sub-class of people that are treated as social outcasts like non-whites in France...

Pick your poison.

For what its worth...multi-culturalism and mass immigration has started creating social tensions in Canada in recent years.

Social change, esperically when its so fundamental tends to do that.

In the Korean context there will be some unavoidable growing pains but I would not go and conclude that all Koreans would react in unison one way or the other. Variances will occur depending on age for example.


Last edited by PatrickGHBusan on Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:44 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worked really well for Betty Osborne, didn't it?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next
Page 1 of 10

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International