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SMOKERS RANT (and a bit more)
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: SMOKERS RANT (and a bit more) Reply with quote

I hate these stupid ajushis that just walk down the street, or stand in prime spots on the street just puffing away, I can deal with most things in Korea, but this one pisses me off to no end.

I always had the mentality if you wanna smoke do it in your own home, but here in Korea this can be a catch 22. One haraboji smokes in his paratment below us, and the ventilation sucks so bad our apartment smells of smoke, and we have a newborn baby.

But of course the landlords can't do anything about that as "there's no rule against it", but every harmoni will bitch me out when I take my dog out of the apartment for a piss on the dirt, and try to have me kicked out of my apartment if the dog barks because apparently noise ( not smoke poisoning is something they will do something about.

Course if they are concerned about noise perhaps they could do something about the screaming children who bound up the stairs anytime between 7 am and 11 pm

BUt alas, this rant started off as a smokers rant.

Here in Korea they should have smokers buildings. Fail that you should have to pay for ventialltion upgrades in your neighbours apartments if you smoke in your apartment.

I am sick of other peoples selfish addiction helping to kill me and harm my child.

I am sick of the smokers who think that I am the one with the issue if me and others like me when we don't want you smoking around us, in public places.

And i hate that some smoking morons will just chuck their butts on the street when they are done with them


Anyway rant over, I am sure to get responses from both parties I am sure
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic has recently been covered, fairly sensibly, here.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=180478

Seoulio wrote:
Here in Korea they should have smokers buildings.


Please expand on this idea. I'm curious to know how it would work. For example, location, amount, opening times etc.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, yeah i didnt look,

alll well if no one responds thats cool.

as for how it would work, i don't know, but you could make a building in every area and basically demand smokers to move in there.

if they smoke in a non smokers apartment they are evicted

Of course its NEVER going to happen, its idealism, but it would be nice
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a city boy, aren't you? Laughing
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 million companies around the world are involved in throwing toxic fumes and pollutants and greenhouse gases into my atmosphere.

Meh.

Your kid will be exposed to 500 worse substances than tobacco smoke by the time they are 12. Welcome to our industrial-preservative-technological age.

I'm sick of getting background radiation from people's TVs and Cell Phones. I demand that all people who watch TV and talk on Cell Phones move somewhere else.

That's just silly isn't it?

If you want a healthy, non contaminated lifestyle go live with the Amish or go to some hippie commune.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a little bit silly to complain about being exposed to cigarette smoke now and then when millions of cars, trucks and buses are constantly pumping out noxious fumes constantly.

Modern life is rubbish. Get used to it. Or live in Alaska.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some buttheads are always smoking in the hall outside my apartment. Sometimes they try to blow it out the window. There's a no smoking sign on the window and everywhere else. I assume they don't smoke in their apartments because their wives probably don't let them. Still, it stinks up my apartment which is right next to the window; it seeps under the door.

The other ngiht I smelled smoke and heard some butthead talking loudly out in the hall at like 11:30 pm. I open my door to see him across the hall talking through the door of my neighbor's apartment holding a burning cigarette. I get his attention and point to his cigarette and point to the sign. He ignores me. I give him an "an-day-yo!". He still ignores me. I continue to stare at him from my door. A minute later he finishes and I continue to bother him. "wae?!" "an-day-yo!". The butthead continues to ignore me as he walks away.

It's annoying.
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jmuns



Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: earth

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why dont you move. and kids running up stairs from 7am-11pm, please. what do you have 'quiet hours' in your hallways? maybe you shouldnt have had a kid in korea if you dont like smokers. they were here long before your newborn.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
5 million companies around the world are involved in throwing toxic fumes and pollutants and greenhouse gases into my atmosphere.

Meh.


Of course, the difference is that society actually receives valuable products in return for that pollution. All we receive from the fellow who smokes in public is a cough and smelly clothes.

Many nations are also taking steps to reduce corporate pollution as well, so it's not like there's even any hypocrisy here.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
5 million companies around the world are involved in throwing toxic fumes and pollutants and greenhouse gases into my atmosphere.


is it not ok to complain about both?
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machinoman



Joined: 12 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOKERS RANT (and a bit more) Reply with quote

Seoulio wrote:
I always had the mentality if you wanna smoke do it in your own home, but here in Korea this can be a catch 22. One haraboji smokes in his paratment below us, and the ventilation sucks so bad our apartment smells of smoke, and we have a newborn baby.

If there is a ventilation issue, its not exactly the guy downstairs's fault. And if you propose people should not smoke in public or even in their homes, where can they smoke? Smoking buildings? Make people leave their house and walk down the block to smoke in smoking buildings? Who is the unreasonable one in this situation? Just get your ventilation fixed, problem solved.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmuns wrote:
why dont you move. and kids running up stairs from 7am-11pm, please. what do you have 'quiet hours' in your hallways? maybe you shouldnt have had a kid in korea if you dont like smokers. they were here long before your newborn.


okay you can kindly piss off

1) why should I move, moving is expensive and the annoyance is not that severe, I only comment that it happens

2) the times just mentin that at any point between those hourse you can bank on these kids coming in SCREAMING and STOMPING. I was not suggesting that there were certain hours they were allowed to do it, I am saying that they are bound to do it at any time between these hourse

3) I shouldnt have a kid in Korea, you are an idiot. Because there are so many less smokers in other countries. Thanks for the total non sequiter

4) they were here first, what are we, calling shotgun?
doesnt make it right, or their actions justifiable.

I am all for intelligent discussion on this issue, but your comments are useless.



As for the person who said that he cars pollute just as much. Fair point, and that bugs me as well, but we will never get rid of that so long as we have capitalism.

Also, it may be a minor distinction, but I do not feel or smell that pollution as directly, nor do I encounter it in my home is huge quantities ( im on the 5th floor of a closed in apartment where I would imagine the pollution content is lower than one say on the street of a major intersection.

DOn't know if thats accurate, perhaps thats a naive statement, I don't know
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curiousaboutkorea wrote:


The other ngiht I smelled smoke and heard some butthead talking loudly out in the hall at like 11:30 pm. I open my door to see him across the hall talking through the door of my neighbor's apartment holding a burning cigarette. I get his attention and point to his cigarette and point to the sign. He ignores me. I give him an "an-day-yo!". He still ignores me. I continue to stare at him from my door. A minute later he finishes and I continue to bother him. "wae?!" "an-day-yo!". The butthead continues to ignore me as he walks away.

It's annoying.


I find "Ju-gu-leh?" works better than "an-day-yo!" in these situations
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. It's gross. I had neighbors that liked to smoke in the hallway near a window across from my door, leaving their butts in a paper cup, and I duct taped their cigarette butts to their door. These were also the pig neighbors that would leave their garbage out in mart bags for days on end. I had a few Korean friends write letters in different handwriting (as well as writing one by myself, which was pretty obviously written by a foreigner, as I print like a schoolchild Embarassed ) asking them to remove their rubbish. After a few days, they wrote back that they wouldn't remove the rubbish until the notes were removed. The idiots didn't realize that their door was right next to the elevators, so the neighbors saw that people were angry. The next day, there were 3 new letters that weren't from my friends or myself. The garbage was gone that night, and the neighbors moved out at the end of the month.

But I'm rambling... It's a nasty habit that benefits nobody but the tobacco companies. The pollution is bad enough. Having some idiot smoking near you is a violation. Why should you have to fix your vents? They should plug theirs up! They'd get more bang for their buck, recycling the smoke!

As for the sound, that sucks. I'd recommend taking up tap dancing and playing very loud music with the bass cranked up, speakers face down.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOKERS RANT (and a bit more) Reply with quote

machinoman wrote:
Seoulio wrote:
I always had the mentality if you wanna smoke do it in your own home, but here in Korea this can be a catch 22. One haraboji smokes in his paratment below us, and the ventilation sucks so bad our apartment smells of smoke, and we have a newborn baby.

If there is a ventilation issue, its not exactly the guy downstairs's fault. And if you propose people should not smoke in public or even in their homes, where can they smoke? Smoking buildings? Make people leave their house and walk down the block to smoke in smoking buildings? Who is the unreasonable one in this situation? Just get your ventilation fixed, problem solved.


Well you have WINDOWS buddy, when he smokes at the window, there no problem. Ive seen him do it on my way home and when I walk into my apartment, no problem.

When he goes into his bacthroom and smokes while taking a dump in a bathroom with no windows and a fan that is shared through the apartments.

So in this case, if he wants to smoke then he can go to the window, we have asked him to do this, but he doesn't. He has even told us point blank " I like to smoke while I crap"

SO as for where to smoke

how about NOT while you are walking

how about NOT where hundreds of people walk by

You can go to roofs, you can go to side streets where people don't walk through, there are only like thousands of little alcove streets in Seoul.

They can go to a lot of places.

As for smoking in your home, yes when your home is attached to mine and you are poisoning MY home then yes I want you to bloody well stop.

If thats unreasonable then sue me.

if you live in a house that is totally separate and yours, and you wish to poison yourself then be my guest.

If I shot a gun in the air and a buillet came down and hit someone id be crminally liable. If someone smokes "oh its okay" as the killing is little bit and not immediate or even certain in all cases"

plus we use the excuse "well look at all the other pullutants" as a crutch to not do anything about the issue, or in many cases to care.


You kind of make my point for me, where can they smoke, Id be happy if they DIDN"T smoke ever. Id be happy if our governments actualy said "hey we are tired of funding care for people who slowly poison themselves and we should make this stuff illegal"

If you're a smoker I think you should quit as long as my tax dollars help to fund the care you get when it finally gives you cancer.

I also think the same goes for people who over eat and do not exercise, or who drink to excess.

People have far too many freedoms to both kill themselves and others, and by and large the government taxes it, puts a bandaid on the problem and funds the care for those who do so.

So yeah, if the least I ask is that you walk down the street to stop killing me then hell yeah, I think I'm being quite reasonable.
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