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Health plans deregulated, detached from Pension?

 
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banjois



Joined: 14 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject: Health plans deregulated, detached from Pension? Reply with quote

So far everything with my school is great, and I trust them, but I thought I'd just double-check this one, in case.

So today we were asked (or told, I'm not sure, I had to teach through the staff meeting...) if we wanted to switch to a private health plan. The plan itself looks alright, so I've got no big problem with that, per se. I was under the impression that healthcare and pension were linked, but I was told that this was recently changed to allow a private health plan without any effect to pension payments. Does anybody know the facts on this?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: Health plans deregulated, detached from Pension? Reply with quote

banjois wrote:
So far everything with my school is great, and I trust them, but I thought I'd just double-check this one, in case.

So today we were asked (or told, I'm not sure, I had to teach through the staff meeting...) if we wanted to switch to a private health plan. The plan itself looks alright, so I've got no big problem with that, per se. I was under the impression that healthcare and pension were linked, but I was told that this was recently changed to allow a private health plan without any effect to pension payments. Does anybody know the facts on this?


hmm... they were never attached.

The national pension ( http://www.nps.or.kr ) and the national Health care plan ( http://www.nhic.or.kr ) are independent of each other but still both required by law.

Did you have the NHIC health care booklet with your ARC and NHIC registration numbers in it?

Sounds like your employer is trying to dodge both by not enrolling anyone in either.

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banjois



Joined: 14 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. I feel good about my job, and I'm not too worried about them screwing me over. I don't think they're trying to duck the pension, although time will tell. I guess my question is why do these private health plans exist if they run contrary to the National Health Plan? As long as somebody covers the bulk of my costs (which will be few...I've been to a doctor maybe twice in the past five years) I don't care either way.

Also, all of the other teachers have been here for years, and nobody seems terribly concerned about it. I don't know WHAT to think...
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broken76



Joined: 27 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private health care plans exist because the NHIC system is a subsidized plan for medical costs where the patient still has to pay for some coverage. Basically NHIC seems great until a big medical expense comes up, paying 30% of a $100,000 medical bill is still a huge chunk of money. Private insurance will pretty much pay the total bill for what you're covered for.
In many cases Koreans will actually have both private and public insurance in order to have the best overall coverage.
Basically NHIC is good for small stuff while private insurance is better for more expensive procedures.
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my last employer, registering an employee with the national health plan automatically triggers a notification to the national pension plan unless the employer convinces them that you're a contractor instead of an employee.

To avoid the hassle and cost, unscrupulous employers don't define their teachers as 'employees' in their employment contracts and try to steer them into signing up for private health insurance.

Most NETs can profit from employer contributions to the national pension plan which could easily add up to an extra $1000 over the course of a contract. There are a few countries from the list that don't benefit. Where are you from?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broken76 wrote:
Private health care plans exist because the NHIC system is a subsidized plan for medical costs where the patient still has to pay for some coverage. Basically NHIC seems great until a big medical expense comes up, paying 30% of a $100,000 medical bill is still a huge chunk of money. Private insurance will pretty much pay the total bill for what you're covered for.
In many cases Koreans will actually have both private and public insurance in order to have the best overall coverage.
Basically NHIC is good for small stuff while private insurance is better for more expensive procedures.


Just to toss a little fuel on the fire...

Private insurance picks up where NHIC leaves off.... it is NOT a substitute and does NOT cover what would be covered under NHIC.

It is NOT an either or choice.

NHIC is required by law and YOUR EMPLOYER is required enroll you into it.
Enrolling you in medical or pension WILL alert the other to your existence as an employee.

Pension is NOT an option and if your employer is trying to steer you into private medical (in place of NHIC) you can be assured you are getting stung on both.

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banjois



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, when I went to talk to my boss this morning, she said I could choose National Health or the private plan. I went with National Health, as did 1 of my 8 foreign co-workers. The other people all apparently went "Ooooh, we can save $60 a month? Cooool!" The way I see it, I can't really fault the school for wrong-doing. Kinda shady, sure, but I didn't have any pressure on me not to take option A. Can't blame them for trying to save a buck on the people that can't be bothered to do their research, even if it is a titch illegal. The ways of the world, says I. I was a little worried there for a bit, but everything seems simpatico once more.
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banjois



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, for the time being anyways, I'm not worried about pension. I'll check on it in a few months, but my overall feeling is that I won't get dicked around.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

banjois wrote:
And, for the time being anyways, I'm not worried about pension. I'll check on it in a few months, but my overall feeling is that I won't get dicked around.


If there's anything I learned over five years in Korea, it's to never trust a Korean employer, even when your "overall feeling" is that you won't get dicked around. When you let your guard down, that's when you get dicked around.
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:
According to my last employer, registering an employee with the national health plan automatically triggers a notification to the national pension plan unless the employer convinces them that you're a contractor instead of an employee.

To avoid the hassle and cost, unscrupulous employers don't define their teachers as 'employees' in their employment contracts and try to steer them into signing up for private health insurance.

Most NETs can profit from employer contributions to the national pension plan which could easily add up to an extra $1000 over the course of a contract. There are a few countries from the list that don't benefit. Where are you from?


I seriously doubt that this is true....we had health insurance with our first employer and definitely not pension.

I'd also like to second the comment that you can never fully trust your employer here...no matter how good they seem to you, you never know when they might try to pull a fast one. Maybe it will be something small, but there's always something.
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banjois



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="air76"]
hari seldon wrote:

I'd also like to second the comment that you can never fully trust your employer here...no matter how good they seem to you, you never know when they might try to pull a fast one. Maybe it will be something small, but there's always something.


Luckily life has taught me that this is true of anyone, anywhere. I try to maintain a basic faith in human decency, but no matter who you deal with, it's always wise to be ready for a sucker punch....
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

air76 wrote:
hari seldon wrote:
According to my last employer, registering an employee with the national health plan automatically triggers a notification to the national pension plan unless the employer convinces them that you're a contractor instead of an employee.

To avoid the hassle and cost, unscrupulous employers don't define their teachers as 'employees' in their employment contracts and try to steer them into signing up for private health insurance.

Most NETs can profit from employer contributions to the national pension plan which could easily add up to an extra $1000 over the course of a contract. There are a few countries from the list that don't benefit. Where are you from?


I seriously doubt that this is true....we had health insurance with our first employer and definitely not pension...
That's because they defined you as a 'contractor' instead of an 'employee' to avoid contributing to the National Pension Plan. Since you're an American, you lost out on about $1000.
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monkey.lover



Joined: 18 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: national heath plan "quarterly fees" Reply with quote

Just curious to know if anyone has ever paid quarterly health insurance fees on top of their monthly health insurance payments.

This month around 96,000 was taken out of my paycheck for "health insurance quarterly fees".
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