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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: World Series of Poker Reply with quote

Anyone else think that they need to raise the buy in for this tournament.

To me its a bit of a joke when guys can buy in for 10 000, with no qualifying of any kind.

I mean even the US open you have to have a 0 handicap ( or something like that) and qualify thorugh a pre open round.

It kind of defeats the purpose of looking for the best when some lucky guy who may have played twice can either pay or fluck out and win an online qualifier.

Half of this years final table were guys who lucked out and should not have even really been there.

If you were to suggest an amount what would you think.

To me I think 250K and scrap these online qualifiers, or ANY qualifier, and if you do run one then make it a poinst system where you have to be the top of a number of rounds
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely!! It is ajoke that some guy with no chops can bluff his way through a few rounds , basically clogging the tournament path for the better players.
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Seoulio



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus, all you have to do is look at Hellmuth, he gets a lot of calls that we normally wouldn't get because people want to bust him.

as much as he whines, he has a point every time he bitches, he sets up certain hands and gets ready to make moves, he gets aces, raises them for a third time, and gets a call from a guy with say a 10 4 suited who flops trips, or 2 pair, and he's done.

Now I like professional sports, and whether we make the distinction between poker being a sport or not, you don't really see a lot of "im gonna screw over this guy for laughs"

if these pros can drop 200 - 500 K on an episode of high stake poker then the WSOP should have a 250 - 500 K buyin.

Then maybe we will have , oh i don't know, actual pros in the game.
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AmericanExile



Joined: 04 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have to limit the field so the people we think should win would have a better chance? What kind of insanity is that? Hell, why don't you just select the final 9 by vote?

If they are good, then they should win under any circumstances. No cry baby excuses.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so AGAIN, what I am asking for is a bit of professionalism in the "sport" you dont see the US open GOlf Championship allowing people with no skill, or questionable skill enetering simply because they pay an entry fee.

I am by no means a good play, could go enter into it, have a good run of cards and win the whole damn thing. I will still go back to my home game and lose half the time to average and mediocre players.

So YES you should limit the field to those who are seasoned enough to make a living off of poker, or have a huge bankroll to enter.

Just LOOK at some of the guys who are in the top 9, then watch tjem play the top 9, many of those guys made plays that most beginners would make, and they were not playing good poker at all.

There was that one guy that was chip leader, had every little invested in the pot, was one or two away from the final table, and bluffed off rags into a suited board, was cllaed, crippled, and out the next hand.

Not surpirisngly you hadnt heard his name before, and you likely don't know it now.

It was Greg Kopp or something like that.

When you have a field that large in a game based on luck, with that many amatuers gunning for pros, its not suprising you have as many people who can not actually play the game well sitting at the final table.

So while I see your point, its not exactly a "professional" series
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MattAwesome



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you forget that any card game is a game of luck? like any tournament, you should have to qualify. letting people buy-in is just a way to raise funds for the tourney. i think it is beautiful that anyone has a chance to win. some rich slop that is just lucky or a professional with real knowledge about the game.
there is also a difference between a bad beat and thinking you had a better hand than you did.
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Seoulio



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattAwesome wrote:
did you forget that any card game is a game of luck? like any tournament, you should have to qualify. letting people buy-in is just a way to raise funds for the tourney. i think it is beautiful that anyone has a chance to win. some rich slop that is just lucky or a professional with real knowledge about the game.
there is also a difference between a bad beat and thinking you had a better hand than you did.


Poker is NOT all luck. Yes there is a ceratin amount of luck involved, as there is with any sport. Look at hockey

YOu can make all the right moves and still come out the loser, and you can make a crap shot from 190 feet away and the puck will bounce past the goaile ( Toskala)


Hell look at the Dan Boyle Goal from the other night. You have an awesome game then a guy gets passed his puck and against huge odds it gets the right angle and bounces past his own goalie and the
game is done.

That being said there is a huge amount of skil involved in Poker, and anyone who doubts that doesnt play the game enough. Anyown can sit down with 10 000 ( relatively speaking) and take insane silly risks wih cards.

90 percent of these players would not have the balls to sit down at a high stakes table with 500 000 to 1 million of thier own money and bet it.

Yet the world series main event is supposed to be the BEST poker players in the world for "no limit hold em"

Now I don't know about you but last time I watched nhl I didnt see a 98 year old playing for the cup, and I didnt see a team called "pawtucket beer whores" or something equally stupid.

Theres something to be said for making an event that is supposed to showcase the worlds talent actually difficult for a person of lower than average skill enter into it.


If you want to have an event that is open to everyone then have an OPEN event, and run the world series separate. The world series should be for the best, the professionals, The ones that wont call a huge raise with 10-4 just to have a chance to "knock Hellmuth down a peg"
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