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beckett
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: What age do you guys reckon is the latest for ... |
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a career change ?
I am just wondering what peoples opinions on this are?
I am 25 and don't think I want to teach english for the rest of my life.I like the job and am relatively happy but it's just not where I saw myself ending up. I don't want to be a doctor or anything like that. Maybe thinking about law or engineering. I am thinking by the time that I am 28/29 I would want to be getting myself back in university.
Maybe being a teacher in home country could be an option (this would only require 1 year back in uni) so the age for going back to university increases with this option.But I am not entirely convinced its for me.
Anyone have an opinion on this?
Have you (or know anyone who) has made a significant career change in their late 20's / early 30's?
What I wonder is why would someone hire a 30 something year old if their is a 23/24 year old with the same qualification?
Anyway cheers to anyone who chips in with a comment. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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25 is too young to have even chosen a career, in my opinion.
Personally, I never want to have a career. If I am still doing something I don't like, for money, by the time I'm 40, then I will consider my life, to that point, to have been a failure. (Not trying to rag on the 40 year olds doing this, it's just how I feel about my own life). |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'm soon to be 28, have been in Korea for the last two years and will be leaving in 7 weeks to pursue a new career.
As regards your question......it's never too late. For instance, I met a 55 year old woman a few years ago who had just completed her PhD in Osteoarchaeology and had just got a job with the UN investigating mass graves in newly independent East Timor.
Don't become a teacher if you don't want to......it's not worth the time and money to get stuck doing anything other than something you have a passion for.
Why would an organisation hire a 30 year old over a 23 year old? I'd say the question should be the other way around. At 30 you are more mature, have a wealth of experiences to draw upon, and probably have picked up more skills along the way. Don't let worries about age get to you.....some organisations (like the UN) won't even touch you at 23.
As long as you use your years wisely and can show how your experiences have contributed to make you who you are now (and why that is a good thing) then there's little reason to worry about age. |
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caylia
Joined: 03 Mar 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Senior wrote: |
25 is too young to have even chosen a career, in my opinion.
Personally, I never want to have a career. If I am still doing something I don't like, for money, by the time I'm 40, then I will consider my life, to that point, to have been a failure. (Not trying to rag on the 40 year olds doing this, it's just how I feel about my own life). |
I'll be the rag - I'm 41.
I agree 100% with English Matt.
I applied for an English teacher position recently. Why? I want to do something different. I run my own business, but things are slow. I can run it remotely. So how about a big change? I didn't start this company until I was 36 years old. Here is what I did since college with the age I was at:
Educational Center Office Rep - 21
Insurance Company Underwriter - 22
DMV statistician - 23
Startup investment company owner - mid 20s to early 30s
Accountant - 28
C.S. student - 30
Engineer - 33
Fund manager/business owner - 36
English teacher - 42 (?)
Here is the funny part: when I was at the educational center job, they had me substitute for absent teachers to teach the GMAT and GRE classes on the fly! It was kind of a weird feeling teaching people who were 10 years older than I was.
Now, it's an age switch. I might have to teach kindergarten. Who knows what will happen going forward?
My recruiter feels really confident about my application to teach English in Korea (way more than how I feel.) Apparently, they really like my bio and work history A LOT. So I guess age has never been an issue for me to do things.
It doesn't have to be that way for you either. But having said that, if you ever want to do things like have a family or hookup, then you might want to consider doing all the things now that are necessary. You might not have the time or energy later. |
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Forever

Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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anytime you want is fine.
But you don't want to leave your jeb job opportunities until its too late.
I turn 35 this year and will leave next year.
I have been teaching English most of my life, and want a career change - PLUS I want to go back to my home country.
I will go home and go back to Univ to get a second degree and start a new career in my home country by the age of 40y.o. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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It's not uncommon in this day and age for business and finance people to change careers into teaching or even become police officers or nurses or truck drivers. There are experienced lawyers over here teaching young children too. I'm wondering when the certified American public school teachers are coming as they experiencing layoffs these days. Better come to Korea soon if wanting to go or try to keep the job you already have, because lots of qualified public school teachers may be on their way over.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/education/21teachers.html?scp=1&sq=teacher%20layoffs&st=cse
I too have a huge range of experiences, but never could hunker down a solid stable career that progressed into bigger and better things. I'm 36, but can't figure out where I'm going with this and where I'd be at age 40. I'm just going with an opportunity to travel and save a little money. It's really not that bad, but you do want to self study about teaching and about the chosen age group even though you know what teachers do due to having gone to school ourselves many years. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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OP. Many people constantly change jobs (or get new careers) during their working lives. This is the modern 'flexible' approach to the staying employed game.
Don't fret. If you are white, bright, flexible , and have a positive attitude to life - you can go almost anywhere - and do almost anything.
Incidentally, I started work at 14, and I've had 1 major career, 2 self employed businesses - plenty of fill-in jobs, and I've been teaching TEFL for a few years. I don't think of TEFL as a life-long career - and neither should you. Incidentally, I didn't attend university until I was 32 - and this has never held me back in gaining employment.
Go for it! |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just turned 26 and I want to go in for a career change too. I also feel/worry that I'm too old. I'll be 31-32 by the time I finish a second degree, but that's just the way it is. Onward. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Degrees don't equal jobs, especially in the current labor market climate.
You have to really ask why you are changing careers. If it's for money, you really have to look at whether going back to school and loading up on more debt, is going to pay for itself. At the end of the day, your chances of being wealthy whilst working for some one else, are almost nil. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Easy for us to say. There may be financial reasons for or against a career change, and implications for spouses and children. But all things being equal, I don't think you're ever too old for a career change. I've worked with people who decided to be ESL teachers in their 60s. People start new jobs, take up new activities, start hobby businesses in their 70s.
There is no shame in deciding you don't want to be an English teacher any longer if you've outgrown it. Do something related, or do something different. I started my last degree when I was 39.
Good grief, I thought I was so old when I was 25! All the 18-year old girls I thought were too young to date. Fool! |
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Solarian
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm 24 and I think I'm too old for a career change. There's the 41 year old that thinks he isn't. It's all personal, you make the decision for yourself, no one can make it for you. |
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Ruthdes

Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: Re: What age do you guys reckon is the latest for ... |
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beckett wrote: |
Maybe being a teacher in home country could be an option (this would only require 1 year back in uni) so the age for going back to university increases with this option.But I am not entirely convinced its for me. |
DON'T be a regular teacher unless you are really passionate about it. I don't know what kind of job you have here, but teaching in a school is much harder than 95% of the teaching jobs here. It was about 10 times harder than what I'm doing now.
I did a graduate diploma in education for want of a better idea. I don't regret it, but I hated my job teaching science and maths to 11-16 year olds. I lasted the year then switched. The preparation, the marking, the discipline, the politics, the lack of resources....I couldn't bare it. Teaching a real full time load in a school where the buck stops with you is only for those who are truly passionate. I wasn't.
Good luck! |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Senior wrote: |
Degrees don't equal jobs, especially in the current labor market climate.
You have to really ask why you are changing careers. If it's for money, you really have to look at whether going back to school and loading up on more debt, is going to pay for itself. At the end of the day, your chances of being wealthy whilst working for some one else, are almost nil. |
No degrees don't equal jobs.....however not having a certain degree in a certain field can prevent you from applying for certain jobs. I've always been of the persuasion that you should never get into a career path, or pursue a specific job, for money alone. Why be wealthy when you can be happy? Really, I'm not trying to sound like a hippy and tell you that you should give up material possessions, run away to the hills and live with the tree folk, but I am saying that some of the unhappiest people I have met are also some of the wealthiest. Whilst a lack of money can definitely be the cause of unhappiness, an abundance of the stuff does not equal happiness.
I have no illusions about being wealthy.....and if wealth alone is what you spend your life chasing, IMO you will be unhappy whether you succeed in obtaining it or not......I'd rather have a job that I feel lucky to have, and wake up in the morning feeling glad to go to work (usually).
As much as I have come to dislike Confucius since I've lived in Korea, he was right (to a degree) when he said,
"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. "
You only have one life and (as much as I hate how cliched this post is becoming) it would be crazy not to take a punt on your own future and at least attempt (at whatever age) to pursue a career and a lifestyle that you have a passion for.
N.B. Masters degrees needn't get you into debt. Sure if you're North American and are silly enough to pay what your schools ask of you then yes, but there are Universities in other countries such as France, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc. that offer Masters degrees for much less......many of these are taught in the English language; or you could always learn another language and study in French or German for instance.....plenty of people have managed to successfully study in languages other than their mother tongues.
I'll leave you with just one more thought. There's more to life than money.....it does astound me how much emphasis certain people place on money, how they view everything as a financial investment that they have to recoup (and recoup in terms of a financial profit). Why not look at things as an investment in your future happiness.....I could make a lot of money over the next 10-20 years if I stayed in TEFL and worked in Asia and the Middle East.....but it wouldn't make me happy. Instead I will invest my current savings (all of them if I have to) into being in a position whereby I am skilled, qualified and experienced to apply for the jobs I really have a passion for. I urge others to do the same......if you fail, you can always fall back on TEFL in a few years. These jobs aren't going anywhere (not in the near- mid term anyhow). |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Location: Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: |
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English Matt wrote: |
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Degrees don't equal jobs, especially in the current labor market climate.
You have to really ask why you are changing careers. If it's for money, you really have to look at whether going back to school and loading up on more debt, is going to pay for itself. At the end of the day, your chances of being wealthy whilst working for some one else, are almost nil. |
No degrees don't equal jobs.....however not having a certain degree in a certain field can prevent you from applying for certain jobs. I've always been of the persuasion that you should never get into a career path, or pursue a specific job, for money alone. Why be wealthy when you can be happy? Really, I'm not trying to sound like a hippy and tell you that you should give up material possessions, run away to the hills and live with the tree folk, but I am saying that some of the unhappiest people I have met are also some of the wealthiest. Whilst a lack of money can definitely be the cause of unhappiness, an abundance of the stuff does not equal happiness.
I have no illusions about being wealthy.....and if wealth alone is what you spend your life chasing, IMO you will be unhappy whether you succeed in obtaining it or not......I'd rather have a job that I feel lucky to have, and wake up in the morning feeling glad to go to work (usually).
As much as I have come to dislike Confucius since I've lived in Korea, he was right (to a degree) when he said,
"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. "
You only have one life and (as much as I hate how cliched this post is becoming) it would be crazy not to take a punt on your own future and at least attempt (at whatever age) to pursue a career and a lifestyle that you have a passion for.
N.B. Masters degrees needn't get you into debt. Sure if you're North American and are silly enough to pay what your schools ask of you then yes, but there are Universities in other countries such as France, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc. that offer Masters degrees for much less......many of these are taught in the English language; or you could always learn another language and study in French or German for instance.....plenty of people have managed to successfully study in languages other than their mother tongues.
I'll leave you with just one more thought. There's more to life than money.....it does astound me how much emphasis certain people place on money, how they view everything as a financial investment that they have to recoup (and recoup in terms of a financial profit). Why not look at things as an investment in your future happiness.....I could make a lot of money over the next 10-20 years if I stayed in TEFL and worked in Asia and the Middle East.....but it wouldn't make me happy. Instead I will invest my current savings (all of them if I have to) into being in a position whereby I am skilled, qualified and experienced to apply for the jobs I really have a passion for. I urge others to do the same......if you fail, you can always fall back on TEFL in a few years. These jobs aren't going anywhere (not in the near- mid term anyhow). |
+1 to all of that. |
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neandergirl

Joined: 23 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:47 am Post subject: |
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The best advice I ever got on this question came from my terribly bright, younger sister. She listened to me hem and haw about how old I was and how old I'd be when I finished studying and asked the question that put it all in perspective - "How old will you be if you don't do it?".
I applied the next day. I may be older than dirt but I love my work and have never had difficulty getting hired. |
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