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Aelric
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: Where did AES and ATEK go? |
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| Seems not that long ago those two were all anyone talked about, but lately I haven't heard hide nor hair of either, though I heard a rumor that ATEK had some in-fighting and split into smaller splinter groups. Just wondering if anybody knows what's going down on either front. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| They have went to a far far better place! |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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ATEK is running better than ever - http://atek.or.kr/
They are just finishing their voting for new by-laws and creating smaller groups to help people according to the district they live in - and also expanding down south.
ATEK is now also offering all their members "Legal insurance" - for a cheap fee you have one of Seouls largest LAW firms to help you in case you run into any "labor problems" with your school. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| legal insurance! sounds good ! How much is it? |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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http://k-labor.com/tiki-index.php?page=Labor+Assurance&bl=n&saved_msg=y
The cost of the service is 20,000 Won per month. For a teacher who needs legal counsel or who wants to file against an employer, this comes as a huge savings.
The law firm has even agreed to provide an online edition of their �Labor Bible� on the ATEK site. When this link is added, members can find the labor laws in English and in Korean, side-by-side.
Of course, you need to be a member of ATEK (which is free). |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| That's awesome! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Forever wrote: |
http://k-labor.com/tiki-index.php?page=Labor+Assurance&bl=n&saved_msg=y
The cost of the service is 20,000 Won per month. For a teacher who needs legal counsel or who wants to file against an employer, this comes as a huge savings.
The law firm has even agreed to provide an online edition of their �Labor Bible� on the ATEK site. When this link is added, members can find the labor laws in English and in Korean, side-by-side.
Of course, you need to be a member of ATEK (which is free). |
I looked at the link. One sentence in particular jumped out at me. "In a nut shell, the law firm will not have to charge a high retainer if the client makes small monthly payments over the course of a year."
Sounds good, yes?
However we are all aware that many if not most problems crop up around the 10 or 11th month mark particularly in hakwons (''11th month firing").
Being that the employee is going to leave soon anyway what's to stop him from leaving without paying the firm?
All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. I shall be waiting with interest to see how long this lasts. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Forever wrote: |
http://k-labor.com/tiki-index.php?page=Labor+Assurance&bl=n&saved_msg=y
The cost of the service is 20,000 Won per month. For a teacher who needs legal counsel or who wants to file against an employer, this comes as a huge savings.
The law firm has even agreed to provide an online edition of their �Labor Bible� on the ATEK site. When this link is added, members can find the labor laws in English and in Korean, side-by-side.
Of course, you need to be a member of ATEK (which is free). |
I looked at the link. One sentence in particular jumped out at me. "In a nut shell, the law firm will not have to charge a high retainer if the client makes small monthly payments over the course of a year."
Sounds good, yes?
However we are all aware that many if not most problems crop up around the 10 or 11th month mark particularly in hakwons (''11th month firing").
Being that the employee is going to leave soon anyway what's to stop him from leaving without paying the firm?
All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. I shall be waiting with interest to see how long this lasts. |
The way I read it UM, is that the teachers taking advantage of this offer would have already paid monthly payments. This is a discounted retainer fee from what I understand. Most will pay the 20,000 a month and never use the service. If I'm wrong on this, I hope someone will set me straight. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, it is a reading comprehension thing that centers around the word 'retainer'. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Prepaid legal services...Good luck with it covering everything in case you do have a real problem.. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Forever wrote: |
http://k-labor.com/tiki-index.php?page=Labor+Assurance&bl=n&saved_msg=y
The cost of the service is 20,000 Won per month. For a teacher who needs legal counsel or who wants to file against an employer, this comes as a huge savings.
The law firm has even agreed to provide an online edition of their �Labor Bible� on the ATEK site. When this link is added, members can find the labor laws in English and in Korean, side-by-side.
Of course, you need to be a member of ATEK (which is free). |
I looked at the link. One sentence in particular jumped out at me. "In a nut shell, the law firm will not have to charge a high retainer if the client makes small monthly payments over the course of a year."
Sounds good, yes?
However we are all aware that many if not most problems crop up around the 10 or 11th month mark particularly in hakwons (''11th month firing").
Being that the employee is going to leave soon anyway what's to stop him from leaving without paying the firm?
All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. I shall be waiting with interest to see how long this lasts. |
The way I read it UM, is that the teachers taking advantage of this offer would have already paid monthly payments. This is a discounted retainer fee from what I understand. Most will pay the 20,000 a month and never use the service. If I'm wrong on this, I hope someone will set me straight. |
That may be, however that is not very clear.
But even if this is correct, how many people are going to bother? The average person is here for a year or two. It is hardly likely that they are going to wish to pay that money. In fact if anything, they are more likely to assume "Oh well it won't happen to me", as evidenced by the large number of FTs working in hakwons.
When a main source of teachers are broke college grads I don't see too many of them wanting to pay 240,000 won per year for a service they might never need.
Granted if you have a large number of dedicated, willing members who intend to be here long-term it could work. But sorry I don't see that among ATEK. Look at their last election. If memory serves me right out of 800 members roughly 5% ( five percent!) voted in it. When 19 out of 20 members don't care even enough to bother casting a ballot...it's hard to see them caring enough to pay 240,000 won. BTW not bashing ATEK or its members...just stating some cold hard facts and the rational conclusions to be drawn from them. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
That may be, however that is not very clear.
But even if this is correct, how many people are going to bother? The average person is here for a year or two. It is hardly likely that they are going to wish to pay that money. In fact if anything, they are more likely to assume "Oh well it won't happen to me", as evidenced by the large number of FTs working in hakwons.
When a main source of teachers are broke college grads I don't see too many of them wanting to pay 240,000 won per year for a service they might never need.
Granted if you have a large number of dedicated, willing members who intend to be here long-term it could work. But sorry I don't see that among ATEK. Look at their last election. If memory serves me right out of 800 members roughly 5% ( five percent!) voted in it. When 19 out of 20 members don't care even enough to bother casting a ballot...it's hard to see them caring enough to pay 240,000 won. BTW not bashing ATEK or its members...just stating some cold hard facts and the rational conclusions to be drawn from them. |
As I recall reading, only 200 members could actually vote because you have to be a general member at the moment to participate in voting. Whilst it's not likely to be taken out by the vast majority of people, at least they are actually trying to help teachers with things like that. It's a step in the right direction for ATEK and may be of great help to even just a few people. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
That may be, however that is not very clear.
But even if this is correct, how many people are going to bother? The average person is here for a year or two. It is hardly likely that they are going to wish to pay that money. In fact if anything, they are more likely to assume "Oh well it won't happen to me", as evidenced by the large number of FTs working in hakwons.
When a main source of teachers are broke college grads I don't see too many of them wanting to pay 240,000 won per year for a service they might never need.
Granted if you have a large number of dedicated, willing members who intend to be here long-term it could work. But sorry I don't see that among ATEK. Look at their last election. If memory serves me right out of 800 members roughly 5% ( five percent!) voted in it. When 19 out of 20 members don't care even enough to bother casting a ballot...it's hard to see them caring enough to pay 240,000 won. BTW not bashing ATEK or its members...just stating some cold hard facts and the rational conclusions to be drawn from them. |
As I recall reading, only 200 members could actually vote because you have to be a general member at the moment to participate in voting. Whilst it's not likely to be taken out by the vast majority of people, at least they are actually trying to help teachers with things like that. It's a step in the right direction for ATEK and may be of great help to even just a few people. |
Generally speaking ATEK does not differentiate between general members and associate members when quoting the number of its membership. "We have a thousand teachers!"
But to address your point. If only 1 out of 4 was/ is a general member and thus has voting rights...that means the organization is being led by a minority of its members which is hardly democratic.
And if there were 200 voters that means that only around 20% voted...in other words 4 out of 5 didn't bother. Still makes my point that the organization is largely comprised of apathetic people and a tiny elite of activists (less than 50). This is a recipe for eventual collapse or irrelevancy. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| What would the prepaid coverage cover? A consultation, talking to hte labor board? What. If it becomes overly easy to sue hakwons there could be unintended consequences. Less Hakwons, less jobs. |
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