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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: Public School Job V After school Job! Should I mke d change |
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Hi all..
I am currently working in an after school program in an elementary school here in Seoul. The job is pretty decent.
I really like the schedule..
I teach from 1-5.15 and on Tuesdays it is 2- 5.15..
This schedule gives me plenty of time to do some other constructive things!!
The one down side is my commute to school takes about an hour in total..(though I picked out the house myself living centrally and its paid for)
The pay is ok and I dont get much or any slack from my after school company.. I have medical insurance too and have 7 days vacation in Summer and Winter. I am not paying pension now.
Anyway- I have been in Korea a few years at this stage and am considering making the switch in September to a full time public school job in an elementary, middle or high school.. but I am not sure if it is worth the hassle of the switch..
What would people recommend who have worked in both kinds of environments..? Are the public school jobs much better than the after school program jobs..?
I know vacation time is one big advantage of the public school system...
Any others?
Thank You
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Well, I've worked both....It depends on the school or organizations....friends who did the switch did so because they're public school sucked....Public schools do tend to put you close to school but not always.
I prefer public schools, but that's me. |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Considering most people in GEPIK and SMOE get just 4 weeks off instead of 2 after summer camps, winter camps, and desk warming...I would not roll the dice. This is the 2nd time in a row I'm at a public school and very dissapointed. You will be too, with mandatory coteaching, only slightly more time off, demo lessons, orientation, workshops, large classes, low levels...not to mention getting up around 6 or 7 in the morning everyday which makes you feel tired all day long... |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If I had to choose, I would definitely stay in after school. Half the work and the same (if not more) pay as ps teachers. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| DrugstoreCowgirl wrote: |
| If I had to choose, I would definitely stay in after school. Half the work and the same (if not more) pay as ps teachers. |
If you are getting paid more and working less than an average PS teacher then you might just have the sweetest afterschool gig in town and I wouldn't give it up either. I'm not denying your situation, but I've known about a dozen people in ASPs and especially when housing is taken in consideration they make considerably less. They also work far more days out of the year and are in a classroom teaching much more than I am every week. Actual hours at the workplace in an average week, for sure ASPs own PS, though.
The thing is all Afterschool programs and PS jobs are a bit different. If we're looking at the facts, you'll have more vacation time and random time off in a PS, things will be more on the up and up (ie you'll get pension) and you'll probably get paid more with chances to up that pay through afterschool classes of your own.
As for amount of hours taught, if you go to elementary you'll only have 4-5 classes (40 mins) a day and be done by lunch, after which you can just sit around and type out long answers to posts on Dave's, for example. However, mornings are hell (at least for some people like me).
But then there are all sorts of subjective variables that change everything. Is your co-teacher cool? Is your principal a ruthless dictator? How big are your classes? What are your summer/winter camps like? Do you live near your school and is your school in a reasonably central location? You really can't know any of these things until you show up. You could try to get a PS outside of SMOE or G/EPIK, so you can negotiate directly with them, which seems to have worked well for some friends.
If it's any help, I'm at a PS and it started off pretty great, but now it's not that wonderful anymore. It's still the easiest job I've ever had, though. Honestly, 75% of this job goes to getting me out of bed in the morning. Once I'm here it's smooth sailing. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't work after school, I'm ps, but I have a friend doing after school and I am jealous. He works 1-5:15, lives in a nice place near downtown, makes the same as I do. He only gets 10 days of vacation instead of 18 but since he works at multiple schools, he gets a lot of days off for school holidays, floating holidays, testing days etc. But I suppose each program is different and maybe they're not all as good as what he's got. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, that does sound nice. Everyone I know who did the program maybe made around what I made but either got peanuts or nothing for a housing allowance. And usually they had to 'make up' those test days and holidays or their pay was docked. So that's my perception of afterschool programs, but I guess there are better ones out there. I covered for one for a week and it was ok, the hours are fantastic, but it seemed a lot more involved with less materials available. To me the only benefit would be the hours, which is huge and I'm also considering the change. |
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bcjinseoul wrote: |
| \.not to mention getting up around 6 or 7 in the morning everyday which makes you feel tired all day long... |
Yeah, if you're out drinking all night or an insomniac. |
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blackjack

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: anyang
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I work for one and really enjoy the hours. I have been doing it for a couple of years and so I have prep work for everything. I show up at 12 for school lunch, teach 3 45 min classes a day and 1 55 min class (thursday 3 45 min classes) and I am out of there by 4.40. In fact boredom is becoming an issue.
The vacation for me is the biggest issue. In fact I was going to quit because of it (I wanted a 5 week holiday). I gave my boss 2.5 months notice and the very next day he came to the school and begged me to stay saying he would find a relief teacher.
have you tried simply talking to your boss about it? say you need to go home to visit your family |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, heres the thing....
When I'm on vacation, I go to bed around 12 and get up at 9. Feel great all day.
When I'm working I go to bed at 11 and get up at 630...and always feel like I could use an extra hour or two of sleep. I could try going to bed at 930 or 1000, but that would just cut into my free time.
I know "real teachers" in the states who get up at 4 or 5 in the morning, like they're in the military. My mom is a librarian at a middle school back home and gets up at 530 am as well. I could never do that. I wouldn't work at an adult hogwon either.
I'm just not a morning person, and don't like going to bed early.
Public schools just don't dole the time off anymore. This is the 2nd time in a row I got 4 weeks off...just 2 more than a hogwon. Better deals out there folks. |
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