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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Overtime question Reply with quote

I work for EPIK and have an overtime question. It states that I am required to teach a maximum of 22 hours per week. Last week, due to some crazy bs where the school put on a show for the POE (that is the POE came to see a 'normal' class that had been rehearsed 20 times already), two of my classes were cancelled. This week, they made me make up those two classes. So I taught a total of 24 (22+2 extra) this week.. However, only taught 20 last week.. Should they be paying me overtime?

Thanks!
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Groznyji



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your contract states that you teach a maximum of 22 classes per week and get overtime pay for anything more than that then yes, they should pay you overtime.

The fact that you taught less than the maximum the previous week is irrelevant.
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DrugstoreCowgirl



Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether you should or not is pretty irrelevant. This has happened to me a lot and my school scoffs at paying me OT because it all equals out in the end.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's unusual to make up regular classes. I've probably had 50 classes cancelled due to various reasons over the past 18 months and have always just rolled two lessons into one.

I'd calmly suggest next time that they simply roll two classes into one. Cite other schools doing the same.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrugstoreCowgirl wrote:
Whether you should or not is pretty irrelevant. This has happened to me a lot and my school scoffs at paying me OT because it all equals out in the end.


Wow! I'd bet your school loves you to death. Razz

They're going to tell you to make up all the classes you've missed(let's say 20 missed days of classes in a year) at the end of your school term without OT. That would make 80 classes per week for the last 4 weeks. That'll even things out, right? Wink
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shcforward



Joined: 27 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, they should pay you overtime. The 22 hour thing is the maximum - if they go over it they have to pay over time. If they go under, that is their fault - not yours.
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smajk710



Joined: 23 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been reading about too many teachers complaining about petty issues.
You should work 22 hours per week, but the school canceled 2 of your classes that one week. Now they want you to make up the 2 classes. I think it is fair for them to ask you to make up 2 classes without overtime pay.
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Groznyji



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smajk710 wrote:
I've been reading about too many teachers complaining about petty issues.
You should work 22 hours per week, but the school canceled 2 of your classes that one week. Now they want you to make up the 2 classes. I think it is fair for them to ask you to make up 2 classes without overtime pay.


Not everyone believes that working for no pay is a "petty" issue, especially when that pay is outlined in one's contract. If you personally think it's petty then when your school asks you to work for free go ahead and oblige them. Don't chastise people for sticking up for themselves.

Also, if your employer believes he or she can take advantage of you once then he or she will continue to do so. This goes for employment anywhere, but in Korea it's especially true.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petty on the OP's part, I fully agree. For the sake of simply teaching two hours (which he didnt teach last week but still got paid for) he should poison his relationship with his school?

Nice advice from, I'm surmising, people who have earned shitty relationships with their own schools.
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Groznyji



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Petty on the OP's part, I fully agree. For the sake of simply teaching two hours (which he didnt teach last week but still got paid for) he should poison his relationship with his school?

Nice advice from, I'm surmising, people who have shitty relationships with their own schools.


Personally I have a fantastic relationship with my school. And, despite what you think my comments might imply, I've worked unpaid overtime for my school.

Just because you or me or anyone else thinks it's OK to work a bit of overtime without pay doesn't mean everyone thinks that way. If the OP wants overtime pay he should get it and he's entitled to it. That's simply the way contracts work in the developed world and the way they're supposed to work, theoretically, in Korea.

Might he sour his relationship with the school? Maybe. Politely asking for something you're entitled to in your contract really shouldn't make anyone angry, but I know how things work around here. Might it be a petty request? Maybe. That's for him to judge based on his own situation.

Keep the OP's question in mind. He simply wants to know if the school should be paying him overtime and the simple answer is yes.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groznyji wrote:

Might he sour his relationship with the school? Maybe. Politely asking for something you're entitled to in your contract really shouldn't make anyone angry, but I know how things work around here. Might it be a petty request? Maybe. That's for him to judge based on his own situation.

My point exactly. Far more often than not, it doesnt pay to niggle.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would never do those hours in the fashion the OP did.

I have agreed to overtime hours on a monthly, NOT hourly basis. This means, yea, you use hourly rates, but when it is finally calculated into your monthly pay you get a lump sum. You don't look at it as individual hours of overtime, otherwise they will nickel and dime you as with the OP.

For example, I did a GEPIK job, but I wanted a higher salary. So, the teacher scheduled overtime hours before 4:30. I didn't have to work past the normal hours, but yes I taught instead of deskwarmed. Accept that, then all you need to do is teach extra classes.

So, when the school has a special event, it doesn't get counted as an extra event to be "made up" for free. You get these overtime hours from the get go. It's up to them to schedule when those extra hours are used. If they aren't, they still have to pay you for them.
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not being 'petty'. My school holds me to my contract to a T.. I would think they would expect me to do the same. I taught more than 22 hours this week, and thought I should be paid as such.
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Groznyji



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cincynate wrote:
I am not being 'petty'. My school holds me to my contract to a T.. I would think they would expect me to do the same. I taught more than 22 hours this week, and thought I should be paid as such.


You're absolutely right. As I said, (and I know this comment wasn't directed at me) some people might think it's petty. That's fine. If they don't care about working for free then that's their own business. Personally I don't think it's petty. Besides, pettiness isn't even the issue here. It's what you're entitled to.

I was in sort of a similar situation. My school asked me to teach a few extra classes per month. It didn't seem like a lot to me and I agreed. I worked roughly twenty minutes longer each day and I wasn't going to make a big deal over it.

At the end of the month my paycheck included no overtime. I calculated exactly how much overtime pay I should have been receiving according to the terms of my contract. It was substantial. I politely told my employer that if I were to continue teaching the classes then my hours would have to be adjusted. No big deal. My boss didn't care and my hours were adjusted.
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