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is it alright to take a weekend job along with FT SMOE?

 
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genesis9



Joined: 02 Feb 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:07 am    Post subject: is it alright to take a weekend job along with FT SMOE? Reply with quote

I'm a full time NSET for SMOE.
Recently, I was offered a job to teach TEFL during the weekends and I wanted to know if this violates my contract with SMOE.
Classes will be on Friday evening and Saturday thus there won't be any interference with my work at day school.
Taking this job will be awesome but I don't want to jeopardize my contract with SMOE because I absolutely love this job.
Does anyone have any ideas about such issue?
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're on an E-2 visa then yes, it violates your contract as well as the law. Don't do it or risk being fired/fined/deported.

If you're on an F- visa then maybe, check your contract. Mine says I can't work at any other places of employment, but that might just be there because I'm on an E-2.
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genesis9



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for your input.
I have an F4 visa which is bit more flexcible I understand since an F visa holder can get into any other field, not just as an English instructor.
I don't think my contract says anything about getting a side job either...

jonpurdy wrote:
If you're on an E-2 visa then yes, it violates your contract as well as the law. Don't do it or risk being fired/fined/deported.

If you're on an F- visa then maybe, check your contract. Mine says I can't work at any other places of employment, but that might just be there because I'm on an E-2.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: thanks Reply with quote

genesis9 wrote:

I have an F4 visa which is bit more flexcible I understand since an F visa holder can get into any other field, not just as an English instructor.
I don't think my contract says anything about getting a side job either...




Not so, I'm afraid. It wouldn't be an issue with the Immigration Office, but all public school contracts have a clause prohibiting you from doing any other job (including part time) during the period of your contract. Check out the article in your contract headed "Codes Of Conduct".

This applies whatever your visa status is. In fact, it's something that applies to Korean PS teachers too.

That's not to say nobody ever breaks this rule nor that nobody gets away with doing so. But you WOULD be breaching your contract and obviously there might be consequences to deal with if you did that. I don't know what they would be, I'm just answering your question about violating your contract.
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genesis9



Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: thanks Reply with quote

b-class rambler wrote:
genesis9 wrote:

I have an F4 visa which is bit more flexcible I understand since an F visa holder can get into any other field, not just as an English instructor.
I don't think my contract says anything about getting a side job either...




Not so, I'm afraid. It wouldn't be an issue with the Immigration Office, but all public school contracts have a clause prohibiting you from doing any other job (including part time) during the period of your contract. Check out the article in your contract headed "Codes Of Conduct".

This applies whatever your visa status is. In fact, it's something that applies to Korean PS teachers too.

That's not to say nobody ever breaks this rule nor that nobody gets away with doing so. But you WOULD be breaching your contract and obviously there might be consequences to deal with if you did that. I don't know what they would be, I'm just answering your question about violating your contract.


Thanks for your input. I guess I was wrong about my contract. Smile
If so, if one decides to take a PT job while working as a PS teacher, how would school find out about it?
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: thanks Reply with quote

genesis9 wrote:

If so, if one decides to take a PT job while working as a PS teacher, how would school find out about it?


They might not, and I'm sure there have been a few people before who weren't found out about their extra PT work. But it wouldn't necessarily need to be your school finding out. It could be any other education office official who hears that you're a public school teacher and realises you shouldn't be doing this other job. I think it's quite widely known amongst Koreans that PS teachers aren't supposed to work other jobs.

Remember that parents of PS kids you teach tend to include some real nosey characters too. I'm not overly into paranoia, but there are people around who make quite an effort to catch out EFL teachers who are breaking the rules. I doubt you'd be a prime target of such people, but you could be unlucky.

Also, consider how you'd be paid for the PT work. Would it be cash in hand or into your bank account? The latter might increase your chances of being found out.

I really don't know how big the risk of you being caught would be, nor, as I said above, what would happen if you were.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually you can legally even with an e-2 if your school allows it..... hope your principal likes you.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALL SMOE contracts prohibit any employee ( principal, korean teacher, NSET) from working a second job.

That being said, they are not likely to find out if you took one, but you ARE violating the contract if you do.
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Stephen Ireland



Joined: 22 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can work a second job (I'm talking about public school teachers here) provided the job is ALSO a public job. In other words if the TEFL job is a public job it's perfectly legal provided you get the permission of the Principal. Even E2 visa holders can work a second job with the Principal and Immigration's permission. That's why some people are contracted to two school's in the sticks.

A public University gig (not private) may also qualify, as well as teaching English to Education officials - if you're lucky enough to find it.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether it's legal (i.e. against the law of the land) or not isn't really what's being asked here. The issue is whether it's a breach of the contract.

Legally, there's no problem with having an extra job. Employment Law doesn't specifically prohibit it and Immigration Law wouldn't be involved as the OP is an F4. (The Tax Office WOULD be interested, however!) But there are lots of things which are 'legal', but are neverthless prohibited by a contract. And you accept their prohibition by signing and therefore agreeing to the contract.

The two schools in the sticks scenario isn't really someone taking another job. Public school NETs are nearly always contracted not to one school, but to the POE or MOE. At least, that will be true in the OP's case. So if you work in two, three or even half a dozen schools, you're still doing the same job as a NET for the same employer. So yes, IF it's a 'public' job, in the sense that it's under the auspices of the same public employer, it may well be ok. But that isn't the case here. Or is it?

As we should all know, rules do frequently get "adapted" in Korea, so I wouldn't put it beyond the realms of possibility that the OP could actually ask the school and they say 'yeah, we don't mind'. But I really, really wouldn't advise asking them though. The likelihood of them saying it's ok is probably a lot lower than that of being caught. And if you were, that would have been your 'sorry, I didn't know' excuse out the window.
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