Korean Job Discussion Forums

[phaedrus]

Regardless of what other people think, I think that a person with an MA in accounting or geology or whatever does not qualify as an English professor, and they deserve their 2.2m per month they will get in Korea.

I am thinking about people with real qualifications.

What kind of career track would a foreigner with a PhD. in TESL, plus publications, have in Korea?

On a slightly different track, what about PhD. in English literature plus publications, and teaching literature here not language?

[Mashimaro]

It annoys me when unqualified 'teachers' call themselves professors just because they work at a University. Still, makes them feel important I guess

[Real Reality]

You need to let some Korean professors know your feelings. Here is a list of professors without PhDs at just two large universities. They dare call themselves "professor". Their highest degree is indicated. I have left out their names.

Archeology
1. Associate Professor / ___ ___ ___ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / Kim __ __ / Master of Arts
Economics
1. Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / P____ _____ _____ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / ____ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /K____ J. ____/ Master of Arts in English
Finance
1. Professor / K___ ____ ____ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts. 1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant (none of them have a Ph.D.)
2. Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / ____ S___ H____/ Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / L___ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / _____ ____ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ____ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / ____ _____ _____/ Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 professors have only masters' degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / C__ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / H______ ____ ____/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / K___ H. ____/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / K___ __ __/ Master of Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology

They also receive the benefits of a professor.

[chilsung]

I agree with the original poster on this one. As for RR, you are an idiot. First of all, your comment about MFA, is that there is not any higher degree in Visual Arts. There are not PHD programs for Fine Arts. That is why most MFA degrees are 3 years not the usual 2. Secondly, as you listed some of them are Associate Professors, that is not the same and do not have the same contracts. The third and final item that you fail to recognize is that the original poster was talking about Native English speakers who consider themselves a Professor of English when they themselves have only a bachelors or masters. Now if a person is limited with degree but has made great contributions to that field then I do consider them equal as a professor. I don't know of the people on that list so I have no idea about their other credentials. Some professors I have had the pleasure of meeting in The states only have a bachelors but they are experts in their field. One of my favorite literature professors only had his bachelors but he did write and publish over 12 books. Which merritted him his title.
So there can be people with a lesser degree but with maximum ability to do the job. That however is not what the original poster was commenting on.
I wonder if anyone else hates this RR as much as I do? I find him to be the most annoying poster on this site.

[Real Reality]

chilsung,

Perhaps, you should apologize to RR. Did you know there is someone else with the username RR?

Are you writing about professors in the States or professors in Korea? Are you trying to equate the two? The next thing you might try to equate are Korean universities and North American universities. Are Korean universities equal to North American universities? Are there professors in other countries? Where did they earn their degrees?

Money key to teaching posts
An Internet poll of 1,072 people who have applied for teaching posts at Korean universities shows that 79 percent of respondents found the process unfair. Nearly one in five said colleges refused to offer them a position if they did not make a donation to the school foundation or development fund. Private universities were reportedly more likely to demand money than public colleges. The majority of the 166 respondents who were asked to make donations said they were pushed to pay from 50 million won ($42,000) to 100 million won. About 40 said that they were asked to pay more than 100 million won; five said the school demanded 200 million won.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207090054252629900090409041.html

[ajuma]

According to m-w.com (Merriam Webster), the definition of professor is:
a : a faculty member of the highest academic rank at an institution of higher education b : a teacher at a university, college, or sometimes secondary school


From what I've seen, too many "degreed" professors spend more time writing papers and doing reseach to devote much time to their students. I'm GOOD at what I do, even if I don't have the letters after my name! Am I a "professor"? According to "b", I am!

[schwa]

mr reality:

Waiting with bated breath for your HEAVY LIFTING cut & paste about now.

[Real Reality]

schwa,

Just for you.

A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it. A Professor Jeong at "C" University published some 20 international and 30 domestic papers during last year alone, an average of around one a week, while a professor Kang at "D" University aged more than 50, concluded a secret agreement with a newly appointed professor to have his name added to papers in exchange for hiring him as opposed to other candidates. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html

[ajuma]

RR:

Thanks for making my point about professors! Are professors REALLY better teachers because they publish 50 papers a year???? I think not!

[Real Reality]

ajuma,

You're welcome.

I appreciate your definition. (Some things are worth repeating.)

According to m-w.com (Merriam Webster), the definition of professor is:
a: a faculty member of the highest academic rank at an institution of higher education
b: a teacher at a university, college, or sometimes secondary school

professor
1. A college or university teacher who ranks above an associate professor.
2. A teacher or instructor.
One who professes.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=professor

[rudyflyer]

hey my visa is an E-1 so I can call mysef professor but I don't

[mithridates]

[Mr. Pink]

[phaedrus]

[weatherman]