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Rteacher
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Underwaterbob
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shifter2009
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| Dude, we went to the moon and then played golf on it. Give it up |
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Rteacher
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CentralCali
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| That's funny. You're asking for a competent source proving that the US did land someone on the moon, yet you're thrilled to believe the incompetent "sources" who have "long been suspicious" of the fact that the US landed someone on the moon. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Can anyone prove him wrong? |
The moon is made of cheese.
Can anyone prove me wrong? |
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Welsh Canadian
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: MoonFaker ... |
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Didn't the Mythbuster prove that the moon landings were real? |
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Welsh Canadian
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| They also a couple of months found (using telescope) the moon buggy that they left up there. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
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Here is a list of reasonable responses to the most common objections at what is probably the single most easily searchable source on the internet. You could have easily found it if you actually cared about the topic in and of itself (rather than trying to deny the moonlanding to support a comment made by the cult leader you worship at the feet of).
Moon landing deniers really confuse me. The physics involved in a moon visit simply isn't particularly complex, especially after you can all ready get into space (which we very clearly can). It's just expensive and without much reciprocal benefit. |
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mayorgc
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My HS science teacher believes that Nasa has sent missions to the moon.
But he also hinted to us that he thought the first moon landing might have been faked. |
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8 years down
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There have been 6 manned moon landings.
I can see staging one for whatever political reasons back then but they wouldn't need to fake six of them... |
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Rteacher
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If you are familiar with the intense cold war backdrop of that era - and pressure exerted on NASA by the White House - there was sufficient motivation, I think, to resort to a calculated high-stakes bluff - at least once.
The first episode of HBOs docudrama, From the Earth to the Moon - which I showed to my fourth-grade class today - depicts the overall scenario very well.
Personally, I'm not convinced yet about whether the original moon landing.was faked or not ... |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| Can anyone prove him wrong? |
Here is a list of reasonable responses to the most common objections at what is probably the single most easily searchable source on the internet. You could have easily found it if you actually cared about the topic in and of itself (rather than trying to deny the moonlanding to support a comment made by the cult leader you worship at the feet of).
Moon landing deniers really confuse me. The physics involved in a moon visit simply isn't particularly complex, especially after you can all ready get into space (which we very clearly can). It's just expensive and without much reciprocal benefit. |
I have read that Wikipedia article before, and it doesn't seem to have been updated lately. It also makes no reference to the rebuttals of NASA et al made by Jarrah White that reportedly debunk the defenders' "reasonable" explanations of apparent discrepancies.
Here's from the original article that prompted me to revive the topic...
Jarrah White, from Australia, has been defeating well known defenders of the Moon Hoax like Phil Plait of BadAstronomy.com, Jay Windley, the Mythbusters program, and other NASA propagandists.
While meeting his challengers with vigorous and very intelligent arguments, Jarrah White also provides a great deal of source citations and documentation. He sometimes performs scientific experiments to illustrate his arguments, practically demonstrating his points to his audience members.
White has developed a YouTube channel with more than 300 videos, the primary series being called 'MoonFaker'. In the following (first of a 3-part segment) White shows an untouched flag waving on the moon, where there is no air. Then he cites the Lunar Journal's 6 speculative explanations for the moving flag, debunking them all...
In other videos he demonstrates exactly why the Lunar Module on the moon had to have had a blast crater under it, contrary to NASA's explanations to the contrary. In a five-part series, he provides all the math, science and documented experiments by NASA and other organizations to support his arguments.
In another video, he debates whether the "C" rock in a moon photo right next to the "C" on the ground, is an original or the same photo with the "C" airbrushed out, or whether the mark is debris in the photo.
In another video he explains how in theory, the astronauts should have been able to jump 14 feet in the air, according to NASA's own calculations, yet the Apollo astronauts only jumped about 20 inches off the ground. In another, he takes famous photographs of the supposed landing and points out lighting oddities. Other videos on his YouTube channel challenge the recent LRO aerial photos of the moon, which appear to be far less accurate than Google Earth images.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5kHPexBIWk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials6054.htm |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| It also makes no reference to the rebuttals of NASA et al made by Jarrah White that reportedly debunk the defenders' "reasonable" explanations of apparent discrepancies. |
That's because his rebuttals are completely unpersuasive to anyone who doesn't all ready agree with him. Saying things like, "The astronauts were jumping as high as the math said they could have, so I think it all must have been a fake!" is just silly, and that kind of thing is what his rebuttals amount to. "They didn't release data as fast as they should have, so I think it's all fake!" "X, Y, or Z didn't happen as I reason it should have, so I think it's all fake!" "The pictures NASA released aren't as detailed as I'd like, so I think it's all fake!" He even more or less outright states he will never, ever accept any proof provided by NASA.
It goes on and on and on. Sure, anyone who all ready believes it was all a lie might be cheering along, but the rest of us are just going to shrug and move on to something else. How much time do you expect the rest of the world to spend on this guy? Hell, let's get real, even you wouldn't be agreeing with him if your cult leader's position were that the moon landing occured. |
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Tundra_Creature
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: Re: MoonFaker ... |
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| Welsh Canadian wrote: |
Didn't the Mythbuster prove that the moon landings were real? |
They did. It was a pretty cool episode actually. Nasa had no problems with them using some of their facilities, if memory serves me right. |
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