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How does one explain (grammar)

 
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: How does one explain (grammar) Reply with quote

the reason for the difference between positive and negative... whatever it's called:

'this is the MOST expensive' and 'this is the cheapEST'

A kid asked why it isn't 'the expensivest' and I was just like '...because be quiet'
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air76



Joined: 13 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In general adjectives that are 3 syllables or more use "more" or "most".....2 syllable adjectives (generally ending in -y) can use either/or, and one syllable adjectives always use "er" or "est".....that is a very basic explanation....but considering that you called comparatives and superlatives "positive and negative" maybe simpler is better.
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TDC troll



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG
I always thought that Brits had better grammar than us Yanks.
That's what I get for thinking ,huh.
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Old fat expat



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if true Shocked
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDC troll wrote:
OMG
I always thought that Brits had better grammar than us Yanks.
That's what I get for thinking ,huh.


Don't be as stupid as me. half of England is pretty much illiterate.

Thanks for the patronising responses guys, anyway. it must feel good to know more than someone else.


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air76



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDC troll wrote:
OMG
I always thought that Brits had better grammar than us Yanks.
That's what I get for thinking ,huh.


Why would you assume that British people have better grammar than Americans? I am not being a dick, just wondering what your logic is behind this statement. Although that being said I have found the Australian grasp of grammar at times to be lacking.
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TDC troll



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be patronising, really.
Just kind of thought that, if you're teaching English (I assume)
than you should probably know some basic grammar.

No disrespect , my Mom's side of the family is from Scotland.
One of my Aunts was always ragging that the British had better
use of grammar than the people in the states.
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Ruthdes



Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

air76 wrote:
TDC troll wrote:
OMG
I always thought that Brits had better grammar than us Yanks.
That's what I get for thinking ,huh.


Why would you assume that British people have better grammar than Americans? I am not being a dick, just wondering what your logic is behind this statement. Although that being said I have found the Australian grasp of grammar at times to be lacking.


That's b/c they don't teach us (Aussies) grammar in school. I knew SFA about grammar before I came to teach here. I could explain a noun, adjective and verb, and maybe an adverb if you were lucky. I had no idea about progressive and perfect tenses. Superlatives...what were they!? Conditionals? Imperatives? Passive voice? Really, my technical knowledge of the mechanics of language was almost non-existent. This was probably reinforced by the fact that I really had no opportunity to learn a foreign language at school, so I missed that grammar education too.

In my first 6 months in Korea, I probably increased my knowledge by a factor of 10, if not more. Now, having said that, not knowing the rules didn't stop me from being able to write pretty damn well. I got straight A pluses in year 12 English. But just because you don't know what a superlative is, or how to explain the rules, doesn't mean that you have bad grammar, you're illiterate, or you can't write. It just makes it hard to teach those students who MUST have a rule for everything.
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth, that's pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

I don't know a particularly vast amount of the terminology, because in England, these things aren't (or weren't in my upbringing) taught very thoroughly. However, being a native speaker, one will know how things work - simply because.

I actually have a better grasp of grammar than the two English master degree friends of mine who often send me their work to check through, simply because I have more of a feeling for how things should read, without actually knowing *why*.

I'm aware that forums are a breeding ground for those with a superiority requisite, but come into my lessons for a while and note my abilities compared to the abilities necessary to teach English before thinking up the line 'I sure hope you're not an English teacher lolz'. I'm getting paid for having a degree in anything, being blonde and slim. Being good at English is a bonus.

(This is generally a lecture towards the majority on here that are like this, rather than the guys up there.)
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beeedeeewong



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol because of OP's response - "Because... just be quiet." A great tactic I frequently use myself.
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