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Guys at Korean Gyms without Squat Racks
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noraebang



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Guys at Korean Gyms without Squat Racks Reply with quote

How do you cope?
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BringTheRain



Joined: 26 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep looking and find one with a squat rack... hehe.

Hope this is an option for you too.

There are like 5 gyms within a 5min walk of here and only one has a kind of squat rack / place for deads.
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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's an idea, learn some different exercises, sure I love squats too (particularly overhead squats), but there are a host of other exercises that work the same muscles. Lunges are a great exercise for quads, hamstrings, and gluts when you do them right and probably your best bet as a replacement exercise. They don't require as much weight; 2 heavy dumbbells, one in each hand should suffice.
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noraebang



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crisdean wrote:
here's an idea, learn some different exercises, sure I love squats too (particularly overhead squats), but there are a host of other exercises that work the same muscles. Lunges are a great exercise for quads, hamstrings, and gluts when you do them right and probably your best bet as a replacement exercise. They don't require as much weight; 2 heavy dumbbells, one in each hand should suffice.


I can't do lunges with dumbbells at the typical Korean gym because I've been seriously working out for years. 50lb dumbbell lunges don't really cut it. I would say those would suck as a replacement exercise for any heavy squatter.

Front squats and good mornings would both be great alternatives but you need at least some stands to rack the weight.

I'm racking my head for good ideas here. I can't see any single exercise being a good squat replacement but I see a combination of doing SLDLs and a quad dominant exercise such as dumbbell pistol squats as being a less effective alternative.
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Ji



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Feel Your Pain Reply with quote

I feel your pain. I've only got a lousy smith machine at my gym but it's better then nothing.

And IMO there isn't a true substitute for squats. Other exercises grouped together can impact the same muscle groups but the "whole is more then the sum of it's parts" is how I feel about barbell squats.

Squats while quad dominant is a total body exercise. I've also found ATG style squats improve explosiveness and squatting in general seems to give better muscle density then other exercises.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deadlifts are a good alternative. If done from the floor (as opposed to a rack pull,) they work the legs and lower back similar to how the squat does. True they are somewhat more ham dominant then the squat (more quad dominant) but they do work much the same muscles. Front squats and lunges are other options.
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Ji



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deadlifting will activate the quads some but nowhere near the degree a back or front squat would. Deadlifting is still primarily back/core centric. Though I believe deadlifting like squating should be incorporated into any strength program.

I think front squatting has the same problem as back squatting. You still need something to rack the bar against when you complete the set.

Lunges are better then nothing but if you're trying to build strength and size, I think a machine sled would be a better. Lunges tend to do more sculpting even at heavier weight in comparison.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crisdean wrote:
here's an idea, learn some different exercises, sure I love squats too (particularly overhead squats), but there are a host of other exercises that work the same muscles. Lunges are a great exercise for quads, hamstrings, and gluts when you do them right and probably your best bet as a replacement exercise. They don't require as much weight; 2 heavy dumbbells, one in each hand should suffice.


A person who knows little about lifting. The squat is simply the most important expercise for body building period.

Squatting increases testosterone levels significantly more than other exercises because of the full body exertion required when doing squats. No other exersise engages evey muscle in the body like the squat does. This leads to more development throughout the entire body.

The squat is simply the king of exersises

Now if your one of the 90% of people in Korea who go to the gym and get nothing out of it, then so be it.

The exercises you mention are good peripherals but nothing can compare with the squat.

any other questions?
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm totally new to working out at the gym but have no idea what a "squat" is.

That said, I'm going everyday. First 30-45 or more mins I'm weightlifting with all of the machines. Then I head to the exercise bike for 30 mins to 1 hour. Doing this everyday has totally been changing my health around. Feel way more energetic, get up in the morning without difficulty, and oddly enough require less sleep. Work drains me less. Overall, I feel awesome. And have noticed results too in my body, such as a less 'fat' face and my tiny bit of gut is turning from hard fat to softer fat...

But I'm gonna have to google this "squat" thing. Sounds good.
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talltony4



Joined: 09 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread on here a while back about doing squats without a rack.

It linked to a youtube vid that showed a guy putting the bar on its end, then squatting beside it and rolling it across his shoulders to set up.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to search it, but I'm sure it's still out there

The catch could be stopping the weights from falling off the bar. guess some kind of screw on collar would be required and massive weights would probably be out of the question.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm weightlifting with all of the machines.


Your not weight lifting your using the machines.

Zulethe is correct. The squat is king of all. Your gonna have to combine a few exercises to get the same response as a back squat.

Deadlifts are a very good second. Power cleans are nice too.

For most people the back squat is easier than learning front squats or power cleans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qls96q4Phs4

This vid show how it's possible without the rack or stand. It will limit most people in the amount of weight they can do.

Good luck in finding a rack.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say that squats are amazing. All of the muscles in your body are stabilizing so that you don't fall right over. Squats are pretty essential in any workout routine.
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madhusudan



Joined: 30 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

talltony4 wrote:
There was a thread on here a while back about doing squats without a rack.

It linked to a youtube vid that showed a guy putting the bar on its end, then squatting beside it and rolling it across his shoulders to set up.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to search it, but I'm sure it's still out there

The catch could be stopping the weights from falling off the bar. guess some kind of screw on collar would be required and massive weights would probably be out of the question.


Yeah, called the Steinborn lift. Basically as you said.

Some info here: http://stronglifts.com/squat-no-power-rack-steinborn-lift/
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madhusudan



Joined: 30 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also thought I'd add that both the government sponsored gyms I've been a member of had squat racks. Look for a MunHwa Center or SuRyunGwan or some such in your area. Based on my experience, you have a chance of finding a rack there. The prices happen to be low as well.
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noraebang



Joined: 05 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will update this thread when I get placed in my school.

I'm with the TaLK program so I will be in a rural area, and the first month is actually all teacher training in Yong-In so no problems there. Maybe I can even watch the Judo team over there.

I'm expecting a really small rural area to not have that good of equipment but I'm not sure. Sometimes when you find the oldest and cheapest gyms, they have all the basics like old rusted squat racks, even Olympic plates and stuff. My experience has been that new gyms are actually worse than old ones for that type of equipment.

Regardless, I'm bringing my Elite Rings (gymnastics rings), Captains of Crush, and all sorts of doo-dads but nothing for the legs really.
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