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simonandmartina
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 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: WARNING! Stop signing stuff! |
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I just spoke with someone whose school wants him to work 28 hours a week instead of 22. They said he had to, and got the VP, Principal, and Head Teacher to all swarm him at lunch and pressure him into signing. So, he signed.
If your school demands that you sign something, don't sign it. You don't have to agree to anything else that's not in your contract. Doesn't matter how much they pressure you. They could have the President of Korea there, it doesn't matter. You don't have to sign!
They can't fire you for not doing something outside of your contract. Read your contract, know your rights. If you're unsure, ask someone else, but don't agree just because of the pressure and their sense of urgency. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: WARNING! Stop signing stuff! |
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| simonandmartina wrote: |
I just spoke with someone whose school wants him to work 28 hours a week instead of 22. They said he had to, and got the VP, Principal, and Head Teacher to all swarm him at lunch and pressure him into signing. So, he signed.
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I did 27 in exchange for overtime pay. If they are willing to pay more, then I highly suggest agreeing to it and signing it.
If they ask you to teach overtime classes here and there, then they are more likely to hold pay and tell you not to work as many hours the following week.
By agreeing to more hours upfront, you are ensuring that you have that overtime money coming with your monthly salary. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: WARNING! Stop signing stuff! |
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| simonandmartina wrote: |
I just spoke with someone whose school wants him to work 28 hours a week instead of 22. They said he had to, and got the VP, Principal, and Head Teacher to all swarm him at lunch and pressure him into signing. So, he signed.
If your school demands that you sign something, don't sign it. You don't have to agree to anything else that's not in your contract. Doesn't matter how much they pressure you. They could have the President of Korea there, it doesn't matter. You don't have to sign!
They can't fire you for not doing something outside of your contract. Read your contract, know your rights. If you're unsure, ask someone else, but don't agree just because of the pressure and their sense of urgency. |
Some public school contracts say that you can be asked to work up to six hours of OT per week. Not saying that's the case with your friend's contract...just saying. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: WARNING! Stop signing stuff! |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| simonandmartina wrote: |
I just spoke with someone whose school wants him to work 28 hours a week instead of 22. They said he had to, and got the VP, Principal, and Head Teacher to all swarm him at lunch and pressure him into signing. So, he signed.
If your school demands that you sign something, don't sign it. You don't have to agree to anything else that's not in your contract. Doesn't matter how much they pressure you. They could have the President of Korea there, it doesn't matter. You don't have to sign!
They can't fire you for not doing something outside of your contract. Read your contract, know your rights. If you're unsure, ask someone else, but don't agree just because of the pressure and their sense of urgency. |
Some public school contracts say that you can be asked to work up to six hours of OT per week. Not saying that's the case with your friend's contract...just saying. |
The key word is "asked." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: WARNING! Stop signing stuff! |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| simonandmartina wrote: |
I just spoke with someone whose school wants him to work 28 hours a week instead of 22. They said he had to, and got the VP, Principal, and Head Teacher to all swarm him at lunch and pressure him into signing. So, he signed.
If your school demands that you sign something, don't sign it. You don't have to agree to anything else that's not in your contract. Doesn't matter how much they pressure you. They could have the President of Korea there, it doesn't matter. You don't have to sign!
They can't fire you for not doing something outside of your contract. Read your contract, know your rights. If you're unsure, ask someone else, but don't agree just because of the pressure and their sense of urgency. |
Some public school contracts say that you can be asked to work up to six hours of OT per week. Not saying that's the case with your friend's contract...just saying. |
The key word is "asked." |
From the GEPIK contract 2010
"Employee shall/may be asked to teach 6 extra hours within and/or out of the regular working hours.
Extra teaching should not exceed 6 hours per week without the Employee's consent."
Seem fairly clear that "asked"=required. At least in their minds. Your consent is required for MORE than six additional hours but it says nothing about your consent up to or less than six additional hours.
Also keep in mind until you have worked at least six months you are not entitled to protection from arbitrary firing. |
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simonandmartina
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Forgot to mention the key part: the six hours were during regular class time, and were not paid overtime. |
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Goon-Yang
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
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Depths of My Soul
Joined: 04 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| What happens if you say "NO" to over-time? Do they make your life hell? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Goon-Yang wrote: |
| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
You cannot be that much of an idiot. That had to be your try at humor....it is impossible that you are actually serious with this comparison. If you are I pity you. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| simonandmartina wrote: |
| Forgot to mention the key part: the six hours were during regular class time, and were not paid overtime. |
It doesn't matter. If his contract says he works 22 hours and he works 22 hours, then those extra six hours are paid at the OT rate. He may not be able to refuse them, but he is entitled to ask for the OT rate. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Goon-Yang wrote: |
| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
Yes working 28 hours a week (the limit specified by contract) is a terrible, terrible ordeal. Oh the horror! |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Goon-Yang wrote: |
| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
Yes working 28 hours a week (the limit specified by contract) is a terrible, terrible ordeal. Oh the horror! |
I generally disagree with most of what The Urban Myth says....but seriously, if you can't work 28 hours a week in Korea how are you ever going to survive in a real job?
If they were asking you to teach the extra hours without pay that would be an obvious situation where you'd be up in arms...but doing a little overtime (for overtime pay) when your employer needs you to is just part of life and part of being an employee anywhere, not just in Korea, but anywhere. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| air76 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Goon-Yang wrote: |
| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
Yes working 28 hours a week (the limit specified by contract) is a terrible, terrible ordeal. Oh the horror! |
I generally disagree with most of what The Urban Myth says....but seriously, if you can't work 28 hours a week in Korea how are you ever going to survive in a real job?
If they were asking you to teach the extra hours without pay that would be an obvious situation where you'd be up in arms...but doing a little overtime (for overtime pay) when your employer needs you to is just part of life and part of being an employee anywhere, not just in Korea, but anywhere. |
He mentioned that he didn't get the overtime pay. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Goon-Yang wrote: |
| Ah...forced overtime. Hpw awesome is Korea. Kind of similar to slaves and prostitutes...working for nothing/almost nothing. |
You cannot be that much of an idiot. That had to be your try at humor....it is impossible that you are actually serious with this comparison. If you are I pity you. |
Actually, we are quite similar to slaves. We get a free place to stay, free travel to our new home, people are out there making sure we don't shtook the native women.
And as for prostitutes, many seemed to be getting f@cked by bosses all the time, just like a room salon girl!
I kid! |
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