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cubanlord
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 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: Could Oh Eun-Sun have saved the man? |
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Oh also faced criticism concerning the death of a Spanish climber, who died on Annapurna while she was still on the mountain. The Spanish team blamed Oh for not trying to save the missing crew.
Asked about the incident, Oh paused a moment, taking a sip of water.
�At first, I heard the missing man was 300 meters from our camp, but later, one of our sherpas told me it could actually take minimum of six hours to get to the point.�
�We were running out food and completely exhausted. Sherpas told me that they could not risk their lives, so I had to make a decision,� said Oh, her eyes welling up with tears. |
From the Korea Herald...
Could Oh Eun-Sun have saved the man? Were the Sherpas just not interested? I find this article to be interesting. Check out what The Korea Times says about it:
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On allegations that her team "ignored" an emergency rescue call from a troubled Spanish team on her way down after reaching the top of Annapurna, she said her team members were so exhausted that they couldn't make it. A Spanish climber died in the accident.
"We tried to help them with all the resources we had, but it was useless," she said. "All of my team members including myself were exhausted at that time. The troubled climber was at a point that may have taken six or seven hours to get to. Sherpas are not iron men." |
hmmmm....
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tfunk
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| There's too much information we don't know to be able to make an intelligent decision. |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| The KT is also a sponsor of hers, so they aren't going to give any critical information. |
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ThingsComeAround
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Could Oh Eun-Sun have saved the man? |
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Oh also faced criticism concerning the death of a Spanish climber, who died on Annapurna while she was still on the mountain. The Spanish team blamed Oh for not trying to save the missing crew.
Asked about the incident, Oh paused a moment, taking a sip of water.
�At first, I heard the missing man was 300 meters from our camp, but later, one of our sherpas told me it could actually take minimum of six hours to get to the point.�
�We were running out food and completely exhausted. Sherpas told me that they could not risk their lives, so I had to make a decision,� said Oh, her eyes welling up with tears. |
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When someone asks you why you didn't respond to a distress call, you don't pause and take a sip of water |
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thomas pars
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A friend of mine has climbed just about every mountain over 20K.
K2, Aconcagua, McKinley, Kilimanjaro, and Everest.
The stories he can tell you would curl your hair.
He told me that if you have any sort of emergency/equipment failure
you are dead. And there is an unwritten rule that your primary concern
is to yourself. This rule comes from the fact that it is virtually impossible to help anyone in trouble. Over 23,000 feet most helicopters cant fly to come get you. And the trail is in some places less that 12 inches across, with a 1000 foot drop.
The sherpas own those mountains. And if they tell you something you had
better listen to them. Sorry to say it but that Spanish climber only has himself or his equipment to blame. |
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buildbyflying
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see how taking a sip of water to collect your thoughts is somehow illogical.
As for leaving a team stranded on a mountain... if you're aware of the risks, you're also aware of the limitations. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I am shocked the Korean had so little consideration for the welfare of strangers. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| In all honestly, I would have done the same thing. Imagine how exhausted you would be? And if your Sherpa guide tells you there is no point... |
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kwokman
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| I am shocked the Korean had so little consideration for the welfare of strangers. |
Uhm...this isn't like some picnic where the Korean didn't share their kimchi. Granted it was 300 meters but imagine what could have happened to everyone else by taking that extra trip. It's always that fine moral line. Do you go and try to save the life of one person while jeopardizing the lives of your camp? Being a war veteran, I would have made the same choice. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Couldn't she have eaten one of the sherpas for extra energy? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| thomas pars wrote: |
A friend of mine has climbed just about every mountain over 20K.
K2, Aconcagua, McKinley, Kilimanjaro, and Everest.
The stories he can tell you would curl your hair.
He told me that if you have any sort of emergency/equipment failure
you are dead. And there is an unwritten rule that your primary concern
is to yourself. This rule comes from the fact that it is virtually impossible to help anyone in trouble. Over 23,000 feet most helicopters cant fly to come get you. And the trail is in some places less that 12 inches across, with a 1000 foot drop.
The sherpas own those mountains. And if they tell you something you had
better listen to them. Sorry to say it but that Spanish climber only has himself or his equipment to blame. |
This.
If the Sherpas say it's not possible or too dangerous...then it is. You listen to the experts...particularly when your life or the life of your team is at risk. |
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pkang0202
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| thomas pars wrote: |
A friend of mine has climbed just about every mountain over 20K.
K2, Aconcagua, McKinley, Kilimanjaro, and Everest.
The stories he can tell you would curl your hair.
He told me that if you have any sort of emergency/equipment failure
you are dead. And there is an unwritten rule that your primary concern
is to yourself. This rule comes from the fact that it is virtually impossible to help anyone in trouble. Over 23,000 feet most helicopters cant fly to come get you. And the trail is in some places less that 12 inches across, with a 1000 foot drop.
The sherpas own those mountains. And if they tell you something you had
better listen to them. Sorry to say it but that Spanish climber only has himself or his equipment to blame. |
This.
If the Sherpas say it's not possible or too dangerous...then it is. You listen to the experts...particularly when your life or the life of your team is at risk. |
Agreed. There is no civility at the top of the world's highest peaks. I've heard stories of people having their equipment stolen by other hikers. Vital equipment like oxygen, food, and water. You look out for yourself and your team. |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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I had the drop wrong. On one particular ridge, the Indian side is an
8000 foot drop. On the Tibetan side the drop is 12000 foot.
He had a joke that if you are gunna fall you should do it on the
Tibetan side cause " you'll live longer."  |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| kwokman wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| I am shocked the Korean had so little consideration for the welfare of strangers. |
Uhm...this isn't like some picnic where the Korean didn't share their kimchi. Granted it was 300 meters but imagine what could have happened to everyone else by taking that extra trip. It's always that fine moral line. Do you go and try to save the life of one person while jeopardizing the lives of your camp? Being a war veteran, I would have made the same choice. |
I'm no mountain climber, so I could be wrong, but I believe that when you talk about distance in mountain climbing, it actually means a vertical distance. Three hundred meters would probably have been a long way to go back. It would've been completely irresponsible to put more lives in danger.
I also don't think that taking a sip of water is particularly telling. It seems like a pretty manipulative thing to have included in the article. Especially since it was a Korea Herald article and you'd expect them to portray her in a good light, being a Korean. However, someone above said that The Korea Times is her sponsor. If that's true, maybe they're trying to make her look bad deliberately. |
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