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[bacasper]

Tue May 04, 2010 4:15 am EDT

Teen fan tasered by Phillies security after running onto field

By David Brown

It wasn't the voltage but the amps this young Philllies fan felt on Monday night in Philadelpia.

In the eighth inning of a Phillies-Cardinals game, a 17-year-old male hopped a fence at Citizens Bank Park. He fled security for a few seconds until a Philadelphia police officer fired a Taser gun at the boy from about 15 feet away, dropping him on the spot in left-center field.

You can watch video of the whole crazy scene over at The 700 Level.

The Philadelphia Inquirer spoke to this young man's dad on Tuesday morning and reports that the kid actually called his father to ask for permission before running on the field. The dad told him it wasn't the best of ideas � you think? � but the future Penn State student went ahead and did it anyway. He's being charged as a juvenile for resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and defiant trespass.

"He wasn't drinking. He was not on drugs," the father said.

The Philadelphia police commissioner, meanwhile, is publicly supporting the officer's actions. But the Phillies say they want to talk about whether or not such force is necessary for future trespassers.

From the Associated Press:

Phillies spokeswomen Bonnie Clark said the police department is investigating the matter and discussing with the team whether using the stun gun was appropriate.

Police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore told The Philadelphia Inquirer police internal affairs will open an investigation to determine if the firing "was proper use of the equipment."

If they want my ruling, I'm calling it juuuuuust a bit excessive.

cont'd at link

[matthews_world]

There's know way of knowing if a spectator is on drugs or mental.

However, it's my belief that most overweight policemen will use tasers or guns.

Fat cops are just pathetic to look at in our society.

[Fox]

Are tasers statistically more likely to cause lasting harm than tackling someone?

[rollo]

In that article it mentions a coach attacked with a switchblade in a previous incident Watched a guy run on to the field in a pro football game ran toward the quarterback a giant 330 tackle grabbed him and powerbombed him, later said just protecting my quarterback. Guy tried to sue judge tossed it, said "you wanted to be in the game and you were treated like you were in the game". Tough call for the police, whether it's a prank or a nutcase.

[djsmnc]

Such a shocking story kk lol

[VanIslander]

better a trigger-happy taser than gun

but in cases of shooting a fleeing guy in the back... yeah, lame tactic - especially at a fun event like a baseball game - certainly a taser wasn't necessary, was it?

[Moldy Rutabaga]

Such a proud day for the boys in blue. They fired a taser to subdue an unarmed high school boy who ran across the field waving to the crowd. That's some fine police work there, Lou.

What is happening to the states? Can you not return a DVD late nowadays without being tasered?

[AsiaESLbound]

This is long, but it's a first hand account of what America really is like. Please read on.

Police take a hard line stance in the states. To give you an idea of what our police state does to our young. You can get in serious trouble over minor infractions leading to your whole life being screwed up where you can't get student loans and little chance at a job. It's already more than hard enough for those of us without police records. Something like a repeat offender for improper car registration, lack of insurance, or a number of miscellaneous infractions adding up to severe criminal penalties like probation, jail, and finally prison. Going to court in America is no joke. Penalties can be harsh so it behooves the defendants to look clean and act respectful. I had a poor friend with long hair and left earring who got caught driving a small gas powered moped with no license when he was 17, had chance at getting a license suspended, kept driving it, got caught again and further suspension of being eligible for a license so he never had a driver license. He then drove cars in his 20's trying to get work, but got caught with no license, improper registration, and no insurance several times which he is now sitting in prison for the 2nd time over a minor probation violation at the age of 38 of not making a meeting on time due to lacking transport and able to pay the exorbitant fines. This problem around his legality of driving has been going on for 21 years now yet he's not a bad man or did anything really bad. He was a thin able bodied factory worker type living in an age where factories were anything, but disappearing.

This tragedy has been severely harsh for millions of Americans in the past 20 years. To make matters worse, the police and courts are about as consistent and competent in every bit of what inconsistent and incompetence means. He lost in life over being pulled over and getting citations on minor infractions, because he kept driving without license with no option to ever get one, transportation was necessary for employment with no public transit like in Korea, and didn't have the money to buy his way out of the funk due to simply lacking employment opportunity and transportation. He wasn't a speeder, no DUI's, nor accidents. His poor mother tried to help him pay the excessive fines, but they were too much leading to probation violations of not paying landing him in DOC. He's now doing 5 years in the pin, but isn't a bad person and never done anything more than drive without a license to seek opportunity. When he gets out, he has no where to go since his relatives are dead and his uncle is also in the pin who is a bad man for being a bad thief and meth cook. I miss being able to talk to my buddy and see him back home. I wish for him to have a job and live on his own.

To get back on topic, not only did this boy get wrongfully tazered, he now has a police record handicapping him for employment for quite some time to come which can lead to further problems like poverty and frustration leading him to commit crimes. I grew up in horrible fear of 2 things. Acquiring a police record. Suffering the suffering of poverty in a police state where being in one little wrong place at the wrong little time puts you in hardship for life or about 7 years at the least. Expunging records after 7 years is often difficult according to many accounts. I'm lucky I didn't get in trouble even though I ran around, had long hair, left earring, smoked weed, hung out with people the police watched, was poor, and drove without insurance just to pay rent at times so I wouldn't be sleeping in parks and lots where police will bust you. I'm not entirely sure if everywhere in America is a police state, but it helps to have money. If you don't have money, it's rational to fear the police.

[Jeonmunka]

I started out in a simlar way to the guy above - I didn't have much money and was always under the radar in terms of who I am and my work etc, but one day I got pulled over and given a ticket for having no registration on my motorbike. Frankly. I don't know why the officer pulled me over in the first place as wasn't speeding nor riding dangerously. Anyway, I couldn't pay it. It was 240 dollars 22 years ago. I realised soon enough though that it would lead to problems by not paying it as once I got in the system, they really had me. No matter where I went or what I did I was a number, and I needed that number for most official things. One cannot get out of the system once 'registered' within it.
What I want to say is that it is up to the guy above to be proactive about his fines. I didn't have an easy time and had no parents so it wasn't easy but I did community work in lieu of the fine. So, it wasn't a big deal once face the judge and ask, 'Well, what can I do?'
So, even your number is the first thing for your identity humans still work the wheel. There is some humanity in things.

As for the 17 year old running onto the field well unfortuately 17 years is not a child. It's not battery on an innocent child. As shown in another response, he could have carried a switchblade for all the cop knew.

It's a bit sad that the boy will have a record and that might not get expunged by itself, but, if he approaches the authorities and discusses it without losing control maybe they can do something.

[matthews_world]

[bacasper]

[Captain Corea]

[kiknkorea]

[goniff]

shoud've gunned him down with real bullets...no spectator has any business on/in the sporting arena at any time...put the idiot out of his misery...

[.38 Special]

A tazer is a less than lethal device. It is not non-lethal. People have died from being tazered. I call excessive on this.

But who cares? The cops have tazered the elderly, pregnant women, even people in wheel chairs (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/14147512/detail.html)... A better question might be: Why aren't we tasering people more often? Are we doing something wrong? How can we increase our bloodthirsty brutality quota?

Well, this is a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc