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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: Students Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts |
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It's silliness like this that makes me seriously concerned about the Homeland.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179/
Good grief.
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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The principal should be hung for treason against the United States in a public square after being chastised and humiliated by the local population. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.
"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July." |
I'm pretty tolerant of immigrants and their cultural idiosyncracies, but anyone who thinks Americans shouldn't be able to wear clothing honoring America on days which are national holidays in other countries is a total idiot. This isn't Mexico, and Mexican holidays should have precisely zero impact on what is or isn't acceptable behavior here. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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The students are over-sensitive, and the school administration is simply pandering.
My question to the students:
"Why do you find that American students, living in America, going to an American school, wearing clothes that display the American flag so offensive?"
The whole hypocritical thing about these Mexicans, is that they are running to America for freedom and a better economic opportunity yet when they get to America, they start telling the Americans how to live.
I am by no means "pro-American" (in fact I'm Canadian), but I am with the American students on this one.
If you want to celebrate your Mexican heritage, you are free to do so. Just don't tell yoru fellow classmates that they can't celebrate their heritage in their own country. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if the school had the American flag flying or did they switch to the Mexican flag for that day? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yesterday, a listener�s son was offended that his school, Klein Collins High School, displayed the Mexican flag prominently. His mother called to complain, and the school wouldn�t return her call. The student took the flag down.
The school pitched a fit, reviewed the surveillance tapes, found the student, and suspended him for 3 days. AND he has to pay for the flag. In light of the SF story of students sent home for wearing the AMERICAN flag because it offended the Hispanic students, I thought you�d like to know about a story closer to home.
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http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html
I bet the Arizona law has a few million more supporters after these two stories make their way around the country. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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If that article is accurate and those boys did nothing other than simply wear flag shirts and bandanas, then I would hope the administration in that school will need to start looking for new jobs soon. That's beyond ridiculous. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: |
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http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/265420-hispanic-students-march-through-downtown-for-respect
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About 200 Hispanic teens are marching in Morgan Hill yelling "We want respect!" and "Si se puede!" in reaction to a controversy ignited when the Live Oak High School principal effectively sent four students home for wearing T-shirts with American flags on them during Cinco de Mayo.
Mexican-American students felt the students were being disrespectful on the only day they celebrate their heritage while students sporting red, white and blue said it violated their First Amendment rights.
Six police cars and a Morgan Hill motorcycle officer have been cruising alongside the large group as it marches.
The group - mostly high school students - walked out of school this morning after the story of four students who were sent home because they wore American flag T-shirts went viral on TV and online. Many wear red, white and green and two large Mexico flags can be seen at the front of the line.
The students say they want people to know they're proud of their heritage and they believe wearing red, white and blue on Cinco de Mayo is disrespectful.
Many of the students are from Live Oak High School, who left school around 11 a.m. this morning and decided to march to the school district headquarters just north of Tennant Avenue. When they arrived, they were told to leave.
"We did this to support the Latino-Hispanic community," said Francine Roa, who graduated from Live Oak in 2005. She brought her 2-year-old son, Elias Martinez, on the march. |
They aren't marching for respect. They're marching for domination and ethnic supremacy. La Raza and all that. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Roger Ebert:
http://twitter.com/ebertchicago/statuses/13488948134
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Kids who wear American Flag T-shirts on 5 May should have to share a lunchroom table with those who wear a hammer and sickle on 4 July.
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Wow. |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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This is a very simple matter. You can observe the effects of radical demographic change through Europe, as well as the subsequent push-back by an increasingly dwindling traditional demographic that is feeling culturally threatened.
You see it in traditionally liberal countries such as France, banning the Burqa and Niqab.
Ideological conflict is decided by one factor and one factor only: population. True, we may have laws in place to restrict the rule of the majority - but those laws are written by legislators, elected by the POPULATION. True, perhaps a large portion of the population would be illegal and ineligible to vote - but the fact that they trend largely toward a single party means that the party will do everything in it's power to give larger numbers of that demographic voting rights (you saw it with the Democrats in the US trying to manipulate the census so that they could include illegal immigrant population in the consideration for house member representation / electoral college votes for states such as California that are very liberal and would receive a huge boost in political power from those numbers).
As Christopher Caldwell put it, "You cannot have the same Europe with different people."
The same is true of America. Unless we are able to integrate this growing number of self-described hyphenated Americans who are loyal to other countries first, the values of this country will become diluted. |
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moosehead

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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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so I suppose no one sees the absurdity in this reaction by the students who wore the american t shirts etc. and how other countries also celebrate heritage events/holidays in the u.s. such as:
Octoberfest - Germany
St. Patrick's Day - Ireland
Columbus Day - Portugal and Italy
not a country now, but in Texas (which was for a short time a country) there are 2 very significant days, San Jacinto Day and Independence Day which are celebrated en masse.
those of you who wrote/reacted before thinking about it are obviously as racist as the boys who foolishly try to insist they were "only celebrating their patriotism."
once more, for those who just don't get it or for whatever reason, seem unable to mentally digest it - the U.S. is founded on the principles of freedom and equal rights for all. to wit - a LOT of people from different backgrounds, countries, ethnic origins make a life in the U.S. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with celebrating one's heritage and there is NOTHING wrong with the fact that sometimes that heritage happens to be Mexican or another Latin origin.
oh, and newsflash, the people of the U.S. are NOT the only Americans in the world, tho sometimes they seem to think so (!) - Mexico is also part of the Americas, as is ALL OF LATIN AMERICA and ironically enough, Canada.
viva la difference
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I love the fact that in Korea, and a lot of other Asian countries, there is none of this PC bull$hit going on. The western world seems to be getting ever more afraid of patriotism, and of offending newly-arrived immigrants. Immigration is a good thing, but immigrants need to realise that they have to make concessions.
Now in this case, maybe the students who wore the flag on their clothing were douchebags. Maybe they did it deliberately to try and get a reaction from the Mexicans. Pretty lame if so, but a low-key response would have been more appropriate. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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moosehead wrote: |
so I suppose no one sees the absurdity in this reaction by the students who wore the american t shirts etc. and how other countries also celebrate heritage events/holidays in the u.s. such as:
Octoberfest - Germany
St. Patrick's Day - Ireland
Columbus Day - Portugal and Italy
not a country now, but in Texas (which was for a short time a country) there are 2 very significant days, San Jacinto Day and Independence Day which are celebrated en masse.
those of you who wrote/reacted before thinking about it are obviously as racist as the boys who foolishly try to insist they were "only celebrating their patriotism."
once more, for those who just don't get it or for whatever reason, seem unable to mentally digest it - the U.S. is founded on the principles of freedom and equal rights for all. to wit - a LOT of people from different backgrounds, countries, ethnic origins make a life in the U.S. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with celebrating one's heritage and there is NOTHING wrong with the fact that sometimes that heritage happens to be Mexican or another Latin origin.
oh, and newsflash, the people of the U.S. are NOT the only Americans in the world, tho sometimes they seem to think so (!) - Mexico is also part of the Americas, as is ALL OF LATIN AMERICA and ironically enough, Canada.
viva la difference
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Who cares why they wore the shirts. They had their own country's flag displayed in tgheir own country. Bottom line. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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moosehead wrote: |
so I suppose no one sees the absurdity in this reaction by the students who wore the american t shirts etc. and how other countries also celebrate heritage events/holidays in the u.s. such as:
Octoberfest - Germany
St. Patrick's Day - Ireland
Columbus Day - Portugal and Italy
not a country now, but in Texas (which was for a short time a country) there are 2 very significant days, San Jacinto Day and Independence Day which are celebrated en masse.
those of you who wrote/reacted before thinking about it are obviously as racist as the boys who foolishly try to insist they were "only celebrating their patriotism."
once more, for those who just don't get it or for whatever reason, seem unable to mentally digest it - the U.S. is founded on the principles of freedom and equal rights for all. to wit - a LOT of people from different backgrounds, countries, ethnic origins make a life in the U.S. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with celebrating one's heritage and there is NOTHING wrong with the fact that sometimes that heritage happens to be Mexican or another Latin origin.
oh, and newsflash, the people of the U.S. are NOT the only Americans in the world, tho sometimes they seem to think so (!) - Mexico is also part of the Americas, as is ALL OF LATIN AMERICA and ironically enough, Canada.
viva la difference
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There's no diplomatic way to say this, so I'm just going to say it. If you think these boys are racist for wearing their nation's own flag on a day that is incidentally a holiday in another nation, you're totally irrational and frankly stupid. This is doubly true given that politican entities like America and Mexico are distinct from racial identities (although Mexico's racist laws have the stated objective of keeping Mexico's overall racial composition fairly homogenous).
Your whine about citizens of the United States being called Americans is equally inane. People who live on the North American continent are North Americans. People who live in Latin America are Latin Americans. People who live in South America are South Americans. None of these people are just "Americans." That's why it's reasonable to use Americans in reference to United States citizens, and that's why most people speak in exactly that fashion. So no, Canadians, Mexicans, etc aren't "Americans" in any sense that most people use the word, but rather "North Americans." Live with it.
It's also worth noting that inane bullshit like you spewed in this post is precisely what turns many people off to diversity. They hear idiots like you accusing people of being racist for things like wearing their own country's flag, and they decide they want no part of an ideology which spreads such culturally damaging idiocy. |
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