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grant gerstners
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: more than one recruiter, but... |
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Suppose I have been in dialogue with two recruiters:
one for an EPIK postion
a second one for a hakwon position.
How far can I go with the two of them before I have to pick one and stick with my choice.
i.e. Suppose I send a set of my documents to each one so they can go through their part of the visa application process, at their end. If immigration gets two applications with my name on it, what happens? Is that to be avoided? Does a red flag go up for South Korean immigration? At the point where my documents are with one of the two recruiters, am I supposed to end my dialogue with the other one?
I'm not clear on the whole visa issuance process, and I'll do some reading about it, but for now I hope the scenario I'm suggesting is clear and someone will address it. Thanks. |
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oskinny1
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Location: Right behind you!
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It sounds like you have or are going to accept two different jobs. So you are going to be screwing over one school by quitting after they hire you and get set to have you come over.
Would you do this in your home country? |
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sallymonster
Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Location: Seattle area
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Do what I did: when you get job offers, pick one and stick with it. Or reject all of the offers if you don't like them. But don't accept two or more positions at the same time, that's just rude to the recruiters and employers. |
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banjois
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would you pay to send two sets of documents when you're only looking for one job? |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: more than one recruiter, but... |
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| grant gerstners wrote: |
Suppose I have been in dialogue with two recruiters:
one for an EPIK postion
a second one for a hakwon position.
How far can I go with the two of them before I have to pick one and stick with my choice.
i.e. Suppose I send a set of my documents to each one so they can go through their part of the visa application process, at their end. If immigration gets two applications with my name on it, what happens? Is that to be avoided? Does a red flag go up for South Korean immigration? At the point where my documents are with one of the two recruiters, am I supposed to end my dialogue with the other one?
I'm not clear on the whole visa issuance process, and I'll do some reading about it, but for now I hope the scenario I'm suggesting is clear and someone will address it. Thanks. |
Nothing matters until you send the documents for visa processing. At that point you are committed to 1 or the other. The 1st one will be processed and the 2nd will be rejected by immigration. You may only get 1 visa confirmation number (for 1 specific job) and cannot get another one (read change your mind) within 90 days.
If you do not use the visa confirmation number within 90 days of issue it will expire and you have to begin again (with a complete new set of documents - apostille and all).
process works like this:
get offer that you like
get contract that is acceptable
sign contract and return it with documents to school/recruiter
School/recruiter goes to local immigration office and applies for visa confirmation number
school/recruiter gets number and sends it to you.
you go to Korean consulate (within 90 days of issue) and get visa
you fly to Korea (within 90 days of issue)
You start new job
you get your ARC (within 90 days of entry).
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grant gerstners
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: Re: more than one recruiter, but... |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| grant gerstners wrote: |
Suppose I have been in dialogue with two recruiters:
one for an EPIK postion
a second one for a hakwon position.
How far can I go with the two of them before I have to pick one and stick with my choice.
i.e. Suppose I send a set of my documents to each one so they can go through their part of the visa application process, at their end. If immigration gets two applications with my name on it, what happens? Is that to be avoided? Does a red flag go up for South Korean immigration? At the point where my documents are with one of the two recruiters, am I supposed to end my dialogue with the other one?
I'm not clear on the whole visa issuance process, and I'll do some reading about it, but for now I hope the scenario I'm suggesting is clear and someone will address it. Thanks. |
process works like this:
1. get offer that you like
2. get contract that is acceptable
3. sign contract and return it with documents to school/recruiter
4. School/recruiter goes to local immigration office and applies for visa confirmation number
6. school/recruiter gets number and sends it to you.
7. you go to Korean consulate (within 90 days of issue) and get visa
8. you fly to Korea (within 90 days of issue)
9. You start new job
10. you get your ARC (within 90 days of entry).
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Thanks, ttompatz.
I've added numbers to the process you presented.
Is the EPIK application form the same as a contract? If not, I have yet to see a contract from either recruiter.
For the EPIK recruiter I am working with, I am still waiting on getting my second recommendation letter. Meanwhile, the hakwon recruiter apparently does not need two recommendation letters and has asked me to send (mail/ship; not email) the documents I have. But I have not seen a contract from her.
Otherwise, I've been sending scans (email) of the documents I DO have, to both recruiters, just to demonstrate that I have relevant documents.
I guess I need to ask to see a contract from the hakwon recruiter. |
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ttompatz
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no signed contract means they can't go to immigration (unless they plan to forge your signature on one),
You need to submit the contract, diploma, crc, and transcripts before anyone can proceed with the application.
At that point you are committed.
IF you send your stuff (diploma, crc and transcripts) to some recruiter before you get a contract then you are screwed and locked into that recruiter since you probably only have 1 complete set of documents with the apostille. |
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grant gerstners
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: more than one recruiter, but... |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| grant gerstners wrote: |
Suppose I have been in dialogue with two recruiters:
one for an EPIK postion
a second one for a hakwon position.
How far can I go with the two of them before I have to pick one and stick with my choice.
i.e. Suppose I send a set of my documents to each one so they can go through their part of the visa application process, at their end. If immigration gets two applications with my name on it, what happens? Is that to be avoided? Does a red flag go up for South Korean immigration? At the point where my documents are with one of the two recruiters, am I supposed to end my dialogue with the other one?
I'm not clear on the whole visa issuance process, and I'll do some reading about it, but for now I hope the scenario I'm suggesting is clear and someone will address it. Thanks. |
Nothing matters until you send the documents for visa processing. At that point you are committed to 1 or the other. The 1st one will be processed and the 2nd will be rejected by immigration. You may only get 1 visa confirmation number (for 1 specific job) and cannot get another one (read change your mind) within 90 days.
If you do not use the visa confirmation number within 90 days of issue it will expire and you have to begin again (with a complete new set of documents - apostille and all).
process works like this:
1. get offer that you like
2. get contract that is acceptable
3. sign contract and return it with documents to school/recruiter
4. School/recruiter goes to local immigration office and applies for visa confirmation number
5. school/recruiter gets number and sends it to you.
6. you go to Korean consulate (within 90 days of issue) and get visa
7. you fly to Korea (within 90 days of issue)
You start new job
you get your ARC (within 90 days of entry).
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Here's what has happened recently.
1. I sent my documents to my recruiter earlier this week and emailed a tracking number. At the same time, the recruiter sent me the contract and notice of appointment, number xxx.
2. Today I have received the contract and notice off appointment. It's an EPIK contract, so I assume there's no room for negotiation.
Now, do I sign the contract, send it back, and wait for the visa confirmation number?
Naturally, I have emailed the recruiter that very question: what now? And am waiting to hear back. Would appreciate an answer here as well.
Thanks. |
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vaticanhotline
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe I'm reading the OP's post wrong, or maybe things might have changed since last September, but when I got the Notice of Appointment, I didn't have to send any documents anywhere. What happened was that I got the visa back home with the NOA and the contract and when I arrived here I was processed at immigration with all the documents in hand. The recruiter's only involvement was to shop my name around to schools. |
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grant gerstners
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope vaticanhotline is right. Let my new topic (Chicago Consulate) supercede this one. I'll probably get my answers on the phone when I talk to them, but I just want to be prepared. |
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