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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: Repubs & Lieberman Oppose Miranda Rights Even for Citize |
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Nevertheless, Republicans are rushing out their same playbook in the case of Times Square bombing plot suspect Faisal Shahzad:
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� �I think obviously that [mirandizing Shahzad] would be a serious mistake until we�ve � at least until we find out as much information as we have, and there are ways � legal ways � of delaying that.� � Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
� �I hope that [Attorney General Eric] Holder did discuss this with the intelligence community. If they believe they got enough from him, how much more should they get? Did they Mirandize him? I know he�s an American citizen but still.� � Rep. Peter King (R-NY) |
This morning on Fox News, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) suggested that Congress should perhaps create a process to strip �American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorists� of their citizenship and, therefore, their Miranda rights. It�s unclear how this would be accomplished, however, since such a process would also presumably involve some sort of due process:
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Some of us have started to talk about it here, which is that there is an existing law � which hasn�t been much used � that says if an American citizen is shown to be fighting in a military force that is an enemy of the United States, then that person loses their citizenship and they no longer have the rights of citizenship. That�s an old law that was adopted during a very different time of conflict.
I think it�s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act. |
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This is ridiculous. Opposing the reading of Miranda Rights to United States Citizens charged with a crime? Suggesting that citizens who are charged with a particular type of crime should be automatically stripped of their citizenship in order to deny them their rights?
What's wrong with these guys. Even Glenn Beck isn't this crazy:
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| This morning on Fox and Friends, Napolitano said that Shahzad needed to be mirandized, and Beck added, �He�s a citizen of the United States, so I say we uphold the laws and the Constitution on citizens.� When Fox and Friends host Brian Kilmeade interjected, �But he�s a threat to the country. That�s different,� Beck responded, �So are a lot of citizens of the country. � We don�t shred the Constitution when it�s popular.� |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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And yet they are blocking a bill that would prevent anyone on the FBI's terrorist watch list from buying firearms or explosives.
Soooo taking away your citizenship w/out due process is ok, but taking away your 2nd amendment rights isn't?? What a bunch of fubars. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Lieberman bill would strip suspects' citizenship
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) thinks he�s found a work-around on the whole Miranda rights debate for U.S. citizens accused of terrorism: Strip their citizenship and ship them to Guantanamo.
Lieberman plans to introduce a bill that would amend a decades-old law aimed at yanking citizenship from U.S. citizens who fight for a foreign military.
�I�m now putting together legislation to amend that to [specify that] any individual American citizen who is found to be involved in a foreign terrorist organization, as defined by the Department of State, would be deprived of their citizenship rights,� Lieberman said Tuesday.
Such a law would potentially cover terror suspect Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-born American citizen charged in connection with the attempted car bombing in New York City�s Times Square. He was apprehended Monday night at the city�s John F. Kennedy airport after he boarded a flight to Dubai.
�If you have joined an enemy of the United States in attacking the United States and trying to kill Americans, I think you sacrifice your rights of citizenship,� Lieberman said.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36741.html#ixzz0nHdjNEH2
Well hot damn. Is Rham dancing his way to El Al and catching the next flight to Tel Aviv?
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| There is one exception to the existing law: Americans are allowed to serve in the Israel Defense Forces without losing their citizenship. |
Not Canada or the UK? Korea? Lots of Korean Americans serve in the ROK. Only Israel? Japan? Why only Israel? Joe? Why?
Ok, anyways. Either you are a citizen or you are not. |
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thecount
Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Not Canada or the UK? Korea? Lots of Korean Americans serve in the ROK. Only Israel? Japan? Why only Israel? Joe? Why?
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The difference is that, while Americans can and will be deployed to aid Canada or the UK, specifically joining Israel in wartime is something the United States has been (and will continue to be, if Obama's policies are any indiciation) extremely reticent to do. Just look at Israel's short history of armed conflict to see that the US will, in all likelihood, not come rushing to it's aid with reinforcements any time soon.
This is partly because we do not like to enforce the "Great Satan" rhetoric (as if our inaction will somehow mollify those who have expressed the desire to eradicate us), and partly because we have now grown dependent on "international consensus" and "diplomatic relations" and "strong foreign ties" and "unilateral sanctions" - all things that are strong when supplemental, but crippling to our country when they are the mainstays of foreign policy.
It is much more politically and diplomatically sound for Americans to fight / defend Israel as part of the IDF, so the U.S. subtly encourages that option for Israeli supporters.
At least, that's how I see it. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| yet "dual citizens" abound in the halls of US government. first thing, strip any elected official with a split loyalty. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| yet "dual citizens" abound in the halls of US government. first thing, strip any elected official with a split loyalty. |
Examples? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| yet "dual citizens" abound in the halls of US government. first thing, strip any elected official with a split loyalty. |
Examples? |
Watch Missing Links. You have to watch the whole thing. It is two hours. Get some popcorn, and roll up a fatty. At least get the popcorn. You will get more examples than you could imagine. Compelling. A must watch. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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And yet they are blocking a bill that would prevent anyone on the FBI's terrorist watch list from buying firearms or explosives.
Soooo taking away your citizenship w/out due process is ok, but taking away your 2nd amendment rights isn't?? What a bunch of fubars. |
Also, too.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/05/us-cant-afford-to-care-for-911.html
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| Ailing Sept. 11 responders don�t deserve a permanent, guaranteed program to ensure they get health care, and giving it to them could wreck the country, Republicans in Congress argued today. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| �By making this a new mandatory program, you jeopardize the financial health of the United States of America,� said Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.). |
I just wish Republicans had thought like this when they were going around getting America into long-term wars. Hypocritical peacocks. |
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