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naturegirl321
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 Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: Proving students have copied and pasted? |
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We have essays due and there is NO way that some of my students have written these perfect papers with advanced grammar and wonderful vocab. I've check yahoo, google, naver, and daum and can't find anything.
Any other tips?
I know they haven't written it because parts have sentences with mistakes, like a would expect and parts have such superflous words that even I have to use a dictionary. |
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anjucat
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Richard Krainium
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Proving students have copied and pasted? |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
We have essays due and there is NO way that some of my students have written these perfect papers with advanced grammar and wonderful vocab. I've check yahoo, google, naver, and daum and can't find anything.
Any other tips?
I know they haven't written it because parts have sentences with mistakes, like a would expect and parts have such superflous words that even I have to use a dictionary. |
Let me guess, first semester teaching uni in Korea, right?
Get used to be! Or be careful your body!
All kidding aside, of course they are cheating. But don't push the issue too much if you like your job. Let them know you know, but don't try to slam them. Try and give it a good spin and just ask them to rewrite the part you feel was copied - in their own words.
Bottom line - more than likely, they hold the power - based on your student evaluations. Dont' forget, Korean uni's are not all that different than Korean hogwons. It's about the money and keeping the customers happy. |
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Senior
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Just tap some of the sentences into google. Get them to submit a copy by email, then it will only take a few seconds to copy and paste whole paragraphs into google. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Proving students have copied and pasted? |
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| Richard Krainium wrote: |
Let me guess, first semester teaching uni in Korea, right?
Get used to be! Or be careful your body!
All kidding aside, of course they are cheating. But don't push the issue too much if you like your job. Let them know you know, but don't try to slam them. Try and give it a good spin and just ask them to rewrite the part you feel was copied - in their own words.
Bottom line - more than likely, they hold the power - based on your student evaluations. Dont' forget, Korean uni's are not all that different than Korean hogwons. It's about the money and keeping the customers happy. |
First semester yes, but I've taught uni for four years before. I like my job. Here's the thing: they signed a plaigarism form, saying that they wouldn't copy and paste. I spent a WHOLE lesson on teaching them what it was. This is what my uni told me to do.
YOu're right about the power. BUt I don't think they should get away with this
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| Just tap some of the sentences into google. Get them to submit a copy by email, then it will only take a few seconds to copy and paste whole paragraphs into google. |
Tried google, nothing comes up. But there's no way they wrote this stuff. |
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Richard Krainium
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
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You don't think they should get away with what? Something you can't really prove?
A slippery slope treading you are, padawan.
Like I said, spin it positively. Highlight the parts you think they copied and ask them to clarify their main points.
"Wow, this is amazing, but I'm not sure I'm clear on your meaning. Can you rewrite it without these adjectives that even I don't understand?" |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Try naver and there's also a chinese search engine that you could try (but I forget the name of it). |
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Richard Krainium
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| Try naver and there's also a chinese search engine that you could try (but I forget the name of it). |
To prove that they're cheating? She already knows that! She needs advice on what to do now. |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Richard Krainium wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| Try naver and there's also a chinese search engine that you could try (but I forget the name of it). |
To prove that they're cheating? She already knows that! She needs advice on what to do now. |
Once you find the source you print the sheets, staple them to the student submissions, give them a zero, and hand them back. That's what I do. |
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makemischief
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| The Chinese search engine is Baidu. I've caught a few that way. |
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Richard Krainium
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| Richard Krainium wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| Try naver and there's also a chinese search engine that you could try (but I forget the name of it). |
To prove that they're cheating? She already knows that! She needs advice on what to do now. |
Once you find the source you print the sheets, staple them to the student submissions, give them a zero, and hand them back. That's what I do. |
Good advice. However, what if you know it, but can't prove it, as is her case? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Richard Krainium wrote: |
You don't think they should get away with what? Something you can't really prove?
A slippery slope treading you are, padawan.
Like I said, spin it positively. Highlight the parts you think they copied and ask them to clarify their main points.
"Wow, this is amazing, but I'm not sure I'm clear on your meaning. Can you rewrite it without these adjectives that even I don't understand?" |
That is the best course of action.
Remember that plagiarism carries dire consequences, including sometimes expulsion from the University so thread lightly with your response.
You could discuss plagiarism as a reminded in one of your lesson, something along the lines of 'maybe it was not clear but sometimes people do not know that using copy & paste without proper referencing can be considered plagiarism'.
You also need to consider that if you drop the hammer, the administration may not back you up as a plagiarism board is a nasty affair.
Good luck. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Richard Krainium wrote: |
You don't think they should get away with what? Something you can't really prove?
A slippery slope treading you are, padawan.
Like I said, spin it positively. Highlight the parts you think they copied and ask them to clarify their main points.
"Wow, this is amazing, but I'm not sure I'm clear on your meaning. Can you rewrite it without these adjectives that even I don't understand?" |
Although I can't prove it, you can't convince me that students that write short 5 to 7 word sentences in class somehow churn out 15 to 20 word sentences and use words such as
ingenuity
ignoble
eradiction
ease
sound-grouping
imply
sound-element
blending
phonetically faithful
and have NO, I mean NO grammar mistakes. It sounds like it's taken directly from a book on how to speak Korean, since that's the topic. Also, I've looked at the referenced websites and they don't have much to do with the topic.
I'm not a newbie, have been teaching for 8 years, got an MA, I can recognise when a student wrote something and when they haven't. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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No one is questionning your competence naturegirl!
We are only trying to provide some ways for you to deal with this. |
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naturegirl321
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I've been told to take the students aside during class and give them a topic and have them write about it. Maybe even the same topic  and compare that with their lovely papers they've handed in.
And also to ask them to print out the info that they got off the net and compare that. I forgot about doing that. I figured uni kids would know better. I taught at a HS and told them to print it off. You wouldn't believe the audacitiy of some of these kids. I would literally go through the majority of their paper and highlight all the sections that they had copied from the printout that they themselves had handed in.
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