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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Letter of Release - Question Reply with quote

Do you need to have a job offer from a new employer before the old one is allowed to give you a letter of release?

My situation: I was "let go" from my job, and instead of giving me a letter of release so I could find new employment, my hagwon boss has opted to cancel my visa instead.

He says:

"Please understand that it means so under the condition that you find a concrete employer.

I have to desgnate and specify a new employer on a release letter. "

Is this accurate, or is he lying to me?
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lie.
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elizabethbennet



Joined: 18 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever the case, you don't need a letter of release to get another job. A lot of people - including recruiters - are confused about this. Some local immigration offices may even be confused. But I can assure you that my husband and I quit our bad hagwon and were both able to get new jobs without a letter of release.

Just get on your criminal background check as soon as possible (at least if you're from the States you'll need a new one). Once you have your documents, however, you will be golden to employers over here who won't have to fly you over.

My husband and I had to re-enter from Japan as tourists before we found jobs (it took a little more than 30 days), but we were both able to find new and better schools to work at.

Good luck!
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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is a lie, (and I suspect it is), where's the document that proves it?

I've been jerked around by this guy for too long. If this is something provably dishonest, I want to take him to court.
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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addendum: Edit: On top of that: I've already got my university transcripts and diploma. Now I just need a criminal background check and I can apply for another visa. I've been living in this country for 1 1/2 years now. I expect I don't need a background check from Canada. I probably need to get one from Korea. How's that done? I'm reading the thread at http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=118735. It looks like the Canadian embassy in Seoul is where I go for authenticating a background check. But where do I go to obtain one.

Also: Still serious about suing this guy. He has no reason not to give a letter of release besides being a dick. Letting him off scott free doesn't sit well with me.
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seoulsister



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: International Network

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a sample letter from one of the stickies. Nothing about a new employer on it - in fact I could see why some people wouldn't want their old employer to know where they're going.

..........................................................................................................
Letter of Consent to Release Foreign English Teacher

Name of Teacher:

Nationality:

Passport No.:

Address:

Telephone No.:


The above-person has been working at our school/academy from __________ to _______________ in the position of Foreign English teacher. We hereby give our consent to the transfer of said person to work for another English school/academy.


Dated: _____, 2010

Name of English Academy
Address of School

_______________________________
Representative

/SEAL/
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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this is what I get for taking him at his word. Basically we went to immigration together and I was expecting him to officially give me my release letter. Why we were going to the embassy in the first place, I had no idea. Bastard ambushed me.

Anyway, my visa is canceled. Now I need to apply for a new one. I doubt I can un-cancel it.
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tired of LA



Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elizabethbennet wrote:
Whatever the case, you don't need a letter of release to get another job. A lot of people - including recruiters - are confused about this. Some local immigration offices may even be confused. But I can assure you that my husband and I quit our bad hagwon and were both able to get new jobs without a letter of release.


True, the benefit of a LOR is that it will allow you to transfer your visa without submitting all new documents. However, if your boss is unwilling to supply you one, you just need to get your visa canceled and apply for a new visa with all the required documents.
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outkast_3000



Joined: 20 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to say, but looks like you were bamboozled.

You don't need a new job in place to get a letter of release. All the letter of release indicates is that your current employer is willing to allow you to transfer your visa sponsor to a different employer. You don't need to have employment by the wayside to get it done.

The letter of release is only if you want to do a visa transfer - and people prefer this because it's less of a hassle on the immigration side of things as you don't have to re-submit documents again. However, if you already have all your documents on you, then doing a visa run isn't the worst thing in the world.

Anyhow, upon reading the rest of the posts just now, it seems like your visa got cancelled anyways. Best of luck to you getting your new visa in order.
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chachee99



Joined: 20 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes if your visa is cancelled you have to go through all the garbage of getting a new CRC. Why? Because you have to leave to country again. Yes, it doesn't make sense.

Question: Did you go with your employer and cancel your visa? If so then there nothing you can do about it because you agreed to have it canceled. You should have demanded a letter of release instead. Your employer cannot cancel your visa without your approval.
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn. I wish I had known that a few days ago. I guess my boss really was not a nice person.

I had no idea I was entitled not to sign said document. I suppose the people at immigration didn't exactly feel the need to tell me. Bastards.
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chachee99



Joined: 20 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bollocks wrote:
Damn. I wish I had known that a few days ago. I guess my boss really was not a nice person.

I had no idea I was entitled not to sign said document. I suppose the people at immigration didn't exactly feel the need to tell me. Bastards.


It is not immigrations job to be giving advice or give counseling. They assume that if you are there and signed the papers you agreed to end the contract with your employer. Chalk this up as a learning experience.
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dragon777



Joined: 06 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does one convince immigration to cancel your E-2, if your employer

does not agree? Is this possible? Or must your employer agree to his/her

FT cancelling their visa?
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spc525



Joined: 12 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be legally obligated to cancel your visa if you are no longer working for them...

I was told if they cancel your visa and your new employer applies for your visa before you leave the country, you dont need a new criminal background check.

I called the Immigration hotline. A lot of people don't realize that there is an English speaking line.
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