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Anyone For A Cheonan Conspiracy Theory?

 
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ed4444



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Anyone For A Cheonan Conspiracy Theory? Reply with quote

http://www.japanfocus.org/-Tanaka-Sakai/3361

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Who Sank the South Korean Warship Cheonan? A New Stage in the US-Korean War and US-China Relations
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, well if we want a conspiracy then lets say that the Chinese did it.

A couple of North Korean Generals want to take over and China wants a change of government in NK. The Generals attack the South and start a war, which China says needs to end and then they send troops in to end the war.

Which they do in conjunction with the NK Generals who then overthrow KJI and the Chinese have the troops in country to force it through. The NK Government are saying that they didn't attack the ship, because they dont know the sneaky plan.

The Chinese now have a Government they want and they look like peace makers to the world. It only works if the two generals attack SK, so put on new undies and KYAGB.
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gakduki



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From day one, I don't buy it. It all seems too perfect. The North Korean's can barely hit a ship with guns; note the last naval skirmish when they went back in flames. How could they operate a submarine in shallow water, score a perfect hit and retreat unnoticed? There were no sitings of NK vessels in the area and I just don't think they have such technology to creep in unnoticed and pull it off so quickly while being able to get away with it for months. The torpedo looks a little too weathered although I'm no expert it was my first thought. Also, it has taken such a long time to confirm such an incident.
My guess is it is either a set up or an accident. Apparently the stories changed many times and if it really was an attack why was the country not on high alert immediately? I don't think this is comparable to shooting down an airplane with civilians or bombing a building with government officials abroad. This is a military vs military confrontation which resulted in a significant loss for one side. The side that should have been able to prevent such a thing. Military exercises were going on at the time and I don't think the north has such capabilities.
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asylum seeker



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's within the bounds of reason that hawks in the GNP could be taking an accident and using it as an excuse to enact the hardline policy against the north they've always wanted. I guess we'll never know for sure.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that they've bribed the international experts?
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asylum seeker



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
And that they've bribed the international experts?


Weren't the international experts all from the US? (edit- Nevermind I just found the news story, there were some from other countries.)
Anyway, They may not have necessarily been bribed but they may be colluding in some way or they may have been fooled by planted evidence. Anyway it's all speculation, all I was saying is that it would not not be a complete surprise if something like that happened. Remember the whole Silmido incident and how that was covered up?
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stilicho25



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the theories seem pretty crazy. Especially the one with the ROK navy sinking an LA class submarine. We don't have that many of them. If one went missing, it would cause quite a stir. The "run aground" theory is pretty interesting though. Covering up for gov incompetence is always something you have to expect, but I still think the most likely by far is the NK revenge scenario for the battle last year. The international team was a great move. An even better one would be a UN investigation. Gives time for tempers to cool, and when we get the results, only the nutjobs would buy into the conspiracy theories.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would SK initially deny it was done by NK and a few weeks later say it was NK? They probably suspected it was NK and didn't want to get the SK citizenry demanding some kind of retaliation. Despite what people think, most SKoreans despise the NK regime, but aren't as vocal as the anti-American folks.

I don't think there is any conspiracy on this one.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asylum seeker wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
And that they've bribed the international experts?


Weren't the international experts all from the US? (edit- Nevermind I just found the news story, there were some from other countries.)
Anyway, They may not have necessarily been bribed but they may be colluding in some way or they may have been fooled by planted evidence. Anyway it's all speculation, all I was saying is that it would not not be a complete surprise if something like that happened. Remember the whole Silmido incident and how that was covered up?


The funny thing about experts is that, given the size of our population, they're usually essentially anonymous figures to the public at large. To be honest, if certain nations had an interest in cracking down on North Korea, I don't find it implausible at all that they could arrange for the "experts" to say whatever they wanted them to say.

I have no idea what the truth is on this matter, but this "conspiracy theory" seems far more plausible to me than ones like the 9-11 theory with nano-thermite. I think it's totally possible that North Korea, the spiteful and irrational nation it is, pushed its luck to get a bit of revenge over past slights. I also think it's totally possible that certain members of the world community have had enough with North Korea and are trying to escallate matters to bring them to a more timely conclusion. Any military efforts against North Korea would be a brief but very bloody mess, so from a public opinion point of view goading North Korea into taking the first real punch would be an obvious choice from the perspective of a party who advocated war.
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tjmauermann



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stilicho25 wrote:
Most of the theories seem pretty crazy. Especially the one with the ROK navy sinking an LA class submarine. We don't have that many of them. If one went missing, it would cause quite a stir. The "run aground" theory is pretty interesting though. Covering up for gov incompetence is always something you have to expect, but I still think the most likely by far is the NK revenge scenario for the battle last year. The international team was a great move. An even better one would be a UN investigation. Gives time for tempers to cool, and when we get the results, only the nutjobs would buy into the conspiracy theories.


Just to let you know the US has 49 active LA class subs active and roughly an additional 17 mothballed.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's already a thread on this. "More Cheonan Lies"
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Forever



Joined: 12 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
There's already a thread on this. "More Cheonan Lies"



But to be FAIR - this thread was started on Monday, May 24th, 2010.

Whereas the other thread "More Cheonan Lies" was started 3-days later on Thursday May 27th, 2010.

(Maybe the other thread and the more new and new ones popping up each day ought to be locked).
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