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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Location: Within You, Without You
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:13 am Post subject: S.Korea hesitates bringing sea attack to UN council |
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02187217.htm
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South Korea accuses North Korea of torpedoing South Korea's Cheonan corvette in March, killing 46 sailors -- the deadliest military incident since the Korean War. It has vowed to bring the case to the council to demand a rebuke for Pyongyang. |
Not much of a gamble for the Old South. I guess they have a friend in high places at the UN these days. |
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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Location: Within You, Without You
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:44 am Post subject: |
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this from the UN Sec Gen webpage
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34866&Cr=international+criminal+court&Cr1=
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At ICC review conference, Ban declares end to 'era of impunity'
31 May 2010 � More than one decade after the International Criminal Court (ICC) was set up, a new �age of accountability� is replacing the �old era of impunity,� Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon underlined today. |
any kind of a coincidence, do you think? |
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Spike
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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2MB did it!!  |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, there is a rumor going around in S now that it was an American sub, and some people are treating this as credible! |
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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Location: Within You, Without You
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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mmstyle wrote: |
Apparently, there is a rumor going around in S now that it was an American sub, and some people are treating this as credible! |
hey, man, you tryin' to start a rumor?  |
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DM24
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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FredDaSked wrote: |
mmstyle wrote: |
Apparently, there is a rumor going around in S now that it was an American sub, and some people are treating this as credible! |
hey, man, you tryin' to start a rumor?  |
that sounds like a conspiracy theory. don't you think if it were an american sub that there would be american families outraged and in mourning as opposed to south korean ones? |
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FredDaSked
Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Location: Within You, Without You
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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then again. . .maybe the Chinese are.
http://groups.google.com.au/group/soc.culture.singapore/msg/9f0314c8b3f6be0b
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The following version, supposedly leaked by the Chinese military,
suggests that the USA had accidentally sunk SK's Cheonan warship.
http://newamericamedia.org/2010/05/did-an-american-mine-sink-the-sout...
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Did an American Mine Sink South Korean Ship?
BEIJING - South Korean Prime Minister Lee Myung-bak has claimed
"overwhelming evidence" that a North Korean torpedo sank the corvette
Cheonan on March 26, killing 46 sailors. U.S. Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton claimed that there s "overwhelming evidence" in favor
of the theory that North Korea sank the South Korean Navy warship
Cheonan. But the articles of proof presented so far by military
investigators to an official inquiry board have been scanty and
inconsistent.
There's yet another possibility, that a U.S. rising mine sank the
Cheonan in a friendly-fire accident.
In the recent U.S.-China strategic talks in Shanghai and Beijing, the
Chinese side dismissed the official scenario presented by the
Americans and their South Korean allies as not credible. This
conclusion was based on an independent technical assessment by the
Chinese military, according to a Beijing-based military affairs
consultant to the People Liberation Army. |
this is worth reading. Don't put it past the Chinese government to continue being Communist.
Adding to it, there's no getting past the implication that the US government is spoiling for a fight with NK over the right to say who is and is not an "aggressor nation". So the whole thing merges into confusion, which is the breeding ground for. . .other things to happen. Dis information is some beautiful disinformation, all right! |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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My husband's CT told him yesterday (with a straight face, apparently) that some people now consider the US sub a possibility. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Because Sweden and Switzerland are totally falsifying their investigation. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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What would a US sub had been doing there without communicating with ROK military in the area? The Americans do military operations with South Korea, but they wouldn't be just sneakily hanging out to sink a South Korean corvette. I smell conspiracy theory on this one. This may be a way to cool things down, because the South doesn't want a war as that would cause them to lose big money in big business. The South just wants to make money and not have these stupid troubles. |
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murmanjake

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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: |
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I didn't check the link to what Fred posted, but the cut and pasted version didn't say anything about a sub.
It said that it was an American "rising mine." Now that sounds to me like something that mighta already been there, and then accidentally exploded/run into. It's a bit more credible of a story than the idea that people here are talking about, that an American sub deliberately fired upon the Cheonan.
In the case that it was an accident and the US was at fault, who better to blame it on than NK? |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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A mine? OK. But, but, but what about the North Korean torpedo parts and chemical analysis finding that it was a NORK torpedo instead of a mine? |
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bacasper

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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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mmstyle wrote: |
My husband's CT told him yesterday (with a straight face, apparently) that some people now consider the US sub a possibility. |
Anyone who completely dismisses the possibility of a false flag operation conducted by the US military has a steep learning curve on these issues. It would only be, like, the umpteenth time. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the text of the letter that South Korea submitted to the UN Security Council:
H.E. Ambassador Claude Heller
President of the Security Council
United Nations
4 June 2010
Excellency
I have the honour to bring to the attention of the Security Council the armed attack on 26 March 2010 by North Korea against the Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy ship Cheonan (PCC-772) on patrol duties in the territorial waters of the ROK, 2.5 kilometers off the southwestern coast of Baekryong Island. The attack resulted in the sinking of the 1,200-ton ROK corvette leading to the deaths of 46 ROK servicemen on board.
The attack by North Korea was substantiated in the investigation conducted by the Joint Civilian-Military Investigation Group (JIG) of the ROK with the participation of international experts from Australia, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States, and the Multinational Combined Intelligence Task Force (MCITF) comprised of the ROK, Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States. Based on material evidence obtained through the scientific and objective investigation, it was determined that the sinking was caused by an underwater explosion by a torpedo made in North Korea. The investigation result further established that additional evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine. This corroborates that North Korea is responsible for the armed attack.
The armed attack by North Korea against the ROK Navy ship is a flagrant violation of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1953 Korean Armistice Agreement and the 1992 Agreement on Reconciliation, Non-aggression and Exchanges and Cooperation between the South and the North. As such, the armed attack by North Korea constitutes a threat to the peace and security on the Korean Peninsula and beyond.
My government requests that the Security Council duly consider this matter and respond in a manner appropriate to the gravity of North Korea's military provocation in order to deter recurrence of any further provocation by North Korea.
I should be grateful if you would have the present letter and enclosure circulated as a document of the Security Council.
Park In-kook
Permanent Representative of the Republic of Korea to the United Nations
Enclosure: Investigation Result on the Sinking of the ROKS "Cheonan"
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04130942.htm
At a minimum, I expect the Security Council will be asked to vote on a censure motion. It will be interesting to see if China votes in favor, abstains or blocks the motion. |
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