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Ideas for Legal 2nd Jobs

 
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austinchauncey



Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Ideas for Legal 2nd Jobs Reply with quote

I have to help my family some more with money. I'm sending more than half my paycheck already to pay for my bills and some of theirs.

I'm pretty sure my employer will agree to sign the permission form, especially under the circumstances, but the job has to have academic merit and a contract has to be involved before immigration/the employment board approves it. I work from 11-5/6 now with more than enough prep time. Are such jobs available? I've browsed and have only seen positions for F visas or on the sly. One-on-one adult tutoring seems like the obvious choice, but I've contacted a couple of recruiters and I'm guessing that this isn't worth the extra hassle for them. Anyone have any ideas? Know of any people who are doing this?

Another alternative is editing or phone work from home. Would it be legal if the people I did this work for were based in another country?
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Senior



Joined: 31 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you talking family as in your wife and kids, or your extended family? If it's the latter, you have to think about yours and theirs motivation for paying their bills. People don't appreciate what is free. If you keep bailing them out, their burden on you will only increase.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Online tutoring might be a possibility, as they can pay you by paypal to an account back in your home country. There are lots of online English companies out there these days (check Dave's international job board and tefl.com for example), although I've never worked for one. I would definitely want to be sure first, however, that I was going to get paid for my work, as I can imagine there are a lot of dodgy online companies out there, and as many are based in third party countries, it might be difficult to track down any monies due.
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austinchauncey



Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senior wrote:
Are you talking family as in your wife and kids, or your extended family? If it's the latter, you have to think about yours and theirs motivation for paying their bills. People don't appreciate what is free. If you keep bailing them out, their burden on you will only increase.


Not wife and kids, but immediate family. They've always been as generous as they could afford to be with me and they've never asked me for a dime ever. I just gave it because they emptied their savings to help with school and I know they're hurting bad for them to ask now.
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austinchauncey



Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotpants wrote:
Online tutoring might be a possibility, as they can pay you by paypal to an account back in your home country. There are lots of online English companies out there these days (check Dave's international job board and tefl.com for example), although I've never worked for one. I would definitely want to be sure first, however, that I was going to get paid for my work, as I can imagine there are a lot of dodgy online companies out there, and as many are based in third party countries, it might be difficult to track down any monies due.


Thanks. I'll look into it.

Any 1st or 2nd person accounts would be appreciated.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you do NOT work at a PS then you CAN take a 2nd job at another hakwon.

you need to get permission from BOTH employers

AND the blessing of immigration BEFORE you start the 2nd job.

You need both contracts,
your ARC
your passport
written permission from both employers
schedule of work from both jobs
application
60k won for the additional place of employment

CAVEATs:
the 2nd job cannot have more hours than your primary job.
the 2nd job cannot pay more than your primary job.

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austinchauncey



Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
IF you do NOT work at a PS then you CAN take a 2nd job at another hakwon.

you need to get permission from BOTH employers

AND the blessing of immigration BEFORE you start the 2nd job.

You need both contracts,
your ARC
your passport
written permission from both employers
schedule of work from both jobs
application
60k won for the additional place of employment

CAVEATs:
the 2nd job cannot have more hours than your primary job.
the 2nd job cannot pay more than your primary job.

.


I'm public. [Mod Edit] Does China pay more than Korea? I'm told privates are pretty open in Japan and China.
If money isn't exchanged, are privates still illegal? Can I trade some food from Costco for lessons? I need to send my entire paycheck home at this point.
What about TV. radio and voice recording? Are those legal?
Is it legal for me to sell things? I'm not sure what exactly.
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nstick13



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as I'm public as well, and my co-teacher wants me to work with her son on occasion, I have offered my services "for free" and happen to be invited to dinner on the same evening.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

austinchauncey wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
IF you do NOT work at a PS then you CAN take a 2nd job at another hakwon.

you need to get permission from BOTH employers

AND the blessing of immigration BEFORE you start the 2nd job.

You need both contracts,
your ARC
your passport
written permission from both employers
schedule of work from both jobs
application
60k won for the additional place of employment

CAVEATs:
the 2nd job cannot have more hours than your primary job.
the 2nd job cannot pay more than your primary job.

.


I'm public. [Mod Edit] Does China pay more than Korea? I'm told privates are pretty open in Japan and China.
If money isn't exchanged, are privates still illegal? Can I trade some food from Costco for lessons? I need to send my entire paycheck home at this point.
What about TV. radio and voice recording? Are those legal?
Is it legal for me to sell things? I'm not sure what exactly.


If you are at a public school - inquire about the after school program. If you can arrange for 5-6 extra classes per week you can effectively raise your salary by about 500k per month (and still stay within your 40 hour week).

Jobs in china will typically pay LESS as a gross salary than you would get in Korea BUT with the extremely low cost of living (virtually "0" expenses) you can effectively save more than you would in Korea.

Unless you are working in Shanghai or Beijing you can live pretty well on 6000-8000RMB per month and send a LARGE percentage of it home. Housing (including utilities) is usually included and there is usually an 8000rmb airfare allowance paid at the end of contract as well as domestic travel allowances for the holiday breaks and often food allowances or free access to the school canteen.

If you have some decent qualifications (bachelors, TESOL, + experience) you can get 8000-12000 per month + benefits. Demand far outstrips supply so it won't be hard to get a job - just a matter of finding one that you would be interested in.

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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

austinchauncey wrote:

If money isn't exchanged, are privates still illegal? Can I trade some food from Costco for lessons? I need to send my entire paycheck home at this point.
What about TV. radio and voice recording? Are those legal?
Is it legal for me to sell things? I'm not sure what exactly.


Immigration wouldn't dig this dance.
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austinchauncey



Joined: 02 Mar 2010
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might have to get a TESOL certificate and go the China route. I didn't plan to do this for more than another year, but I don't have much of a choice now. I now need about $1700-$2000 to send each month. No idea how long this will last. I could go home and bust my ass with 2 full-time jobs if I thought I could find them.

I'd consider the illegal route out of pure desperation, but I definitely stand out and would get caught. I have a few friends who do it. One is Chinese-Canadian and the rest are probably generic-looking to Koreans.
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