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morrisonhotel
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 Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:06 am Post subject: Overtime in hagwons |
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Posting for a friend:
Her contract states that she may be required to work overtime. Her hagwon has been down to one teacher for a while and are trying to force her to do overtime despite her covering the job of two people (and doing insane amounts of work) as it is. I'm not in a hagwon so I've no idea what to tell her. Advice anyone? Can she refuse to do the overtime? What are the relevant passages in the KLSA on this issue? I've had a look but it's all Greek to me. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Overtime in hagwons |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
Posting for a friend:
Her contract states that she may be required to work overtime. Her hagwon has been down to one teacher for a while and are trying to force her to do overtime despite her covering the job of two people (and doing insane amounts of work) as it is. I'm not in a hagwon so I've no idea what to tell her. Advice anyone? Can she refuse to do the overtime? What are the relevant passages in the KLSA on this issue? I've had a look but it's all Greek to me. |
Good Luck getting a hagwon to pay overtime, much less stick to a full contract. Not trying to be negative, just honest. have her document how many hours she is working and have a talk with the director before she starts on the OT. lay out the rules "if I work more than this many hours in the week it is overtime, Correct?" get it in WRITING |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Overtime in hagwons |
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| balzor wrote: |
| morrisonhotel wrote: |
Posting for a friend:
Her contract states that she may be required to work overtime. Her hagwon has been down to one teacher for a while and are trying to force her to do overtime despite her covering the job of two people (and doing insane amounts of work) as it is. I'm not in a hagwon so I've no idea what to tell her. Advice anyone? Can she refuse to do the overtime? What are the relevant passages in the KLSA on this issue? I've had a look but it's all Greek to me. |
Good Luck getting a hagwon to pay overtime, much less stick to a full contract. Not trying to be negative, just honest. have her document how many hours she is working and have a talk with the director before she starts on the OT. lay out the rules "if I work more than this many hours in the week it is overtime, Correct?" get it in WRITING |
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Tell her to definitely record all of the classes (regular and overtime) that she teaches each month. If she doesn't record her hours every day, then at the end of the month, you can bet there will be a disagreement over how many hours exactly she taught.
At the beginning of the month (i.e. now) she should talk with the boss to get him to acknowledge the class hours that are within her regular contracted time. Then they should go over what other classes she'll be teaching in addition (i.e. overtime). Get him to put in writing that everything over the regular contracted hours (and/or outside the regular office hours) is to be paid as overtime, and to re-affirm how much overtime pay is (even if it's already in the contract). |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I've worded it poorly. The issue was whether her employer can force her to do overtime with 'may be required to do overtime' in her contract. |
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balzor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Sorry, I've worded it poorly. The issue was whether her employer can force her to do overtime with 'may be required to do overtime' in her contract. |
They can ask you to do it. In Korea, It's implied that you would do it, because Koreans work mad overtime . I would recommend doing some, make a few extra won, but don't make it an automatic thing. She should do some to fulfill the contract, but don't let them take advantage. Still document all the hours past regular time |
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Steve_Rogers2008
Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Sorry, I've worded it poorly. The issue was whether her employer can force her to do overtime with 'may be required to do overtime' in her contract. |
"May be required" kinda puts the ball in the employer's court. Did your friend actually read the contract before signing? |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Forced overtime is illegal under Korean Labor Laws no matter what your contract says. |
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morrisonhotel
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
| Forced overtime is illegal under Korean Labor Laws no matter what your contract says. |
Bigbuds, you are a diamond. Thank you! Shall pass along the info. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
| Forced overtime is illegal under Korean Labor Laws no matter what your contract says. |
What about overtime classes during school hours? |
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