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Zulethe

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: Sick leave: Use it or lose it? |
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Ok, well I'm down to a month and a half left until the end of my contract. I've never taken any sick days.
To me, sick days are a benefit that if not used, one should be compensated for them (at least that's how it worked when I worked for the government in America).
Here, there is no compensation if one doesn't use one's sick days. I'm vacillating between taking some three day weekends really soon or being the dedicated teacher until the end.
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amcnutt
Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm I would probably be tempted to take them. It depends on how strict your school is. I've heard of someone's boss showing up at their apt to see if they really were sick. They might find it weird that you suddenly are "sick" every other week from now on until the end of your contract.
If you want to teach again (at that school or another) you might want to play it safe and end on a super high note? But I can understand wanting to use them, I probably would!
They should recompensate ppl who don't use sick days, like giving them that many days' pay in return for being such a dedicated and healthy employee  |
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chipsbebo
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: The Rainy Island
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, thats funny. I'm in the exact same situation aand have been thinking the same. 6 weeks left and 2 days to take. I think I'm gonna have a "tummy bug" next monday. I feel morally bad for it, but I have been pitching in really hard at our school, seeing that we have been down from 3 teachers to 1 for the past 6 months. Also, I haven't taken a sick day since December 2005, so I think I'm due one..
Does this make me a bad person? |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Sick leave: Use it or lose it? |
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Zulethe wrote: |
Ok, well I'm down to a month and a half left until the end of my contract. I've never taken any sick days.
To me, sick days are a benefit that if not used, one should be compensated for them (at least that's how it worked when I worked for the government in America). |
Haha, entitlement much? No wonder the States are bankrupt.
You signed a contract. Why didn't you ask to be compensated for them during contract negotiations?
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Here, there is no compensation if one doesn't use one's sick days. I'm vacillating between taking some three day weekends really soon or being the dedicated teacher until the end.
thoughts? |
If you can justify it to yourself, I would say "Go ahead."
I took a sick day last week for an incredibly minor skin complaint. It gave me plenty of time to go see the dermatologist, and part of the reason for the symptoms is stress from my rat bag students. So I could square that away in my mind OK.
I would feel guilty just taking a sick day if I was feeling fine. But, if you don't have any apprehensions about it, you should take a day off here and there, if you want to. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
eh? it doesn't really matter, now does it? either way you get in trouble. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
They are in your contract. So no, not a privilege they are a right. However, you have to accept the consequences if you are caught misusing them. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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nomad-ish wrote: |
jvalmer wrote: |
Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
eh? it doesn't really matter, now does it? either way you get in trouble. |
In Korea I guess it doesn't matter. You'll look bad not showing up to work and getting the principal to let you go home. I've seen a Korean teacher come in 3 days after her appendix burst. But I think that she was a contract teacher was more motivation for her to show up that early. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I am in Korea, I work in a hakwon, and my unused sick days are to be compensated at my average daily rate. This is something I have been aware of pretty much since I started, since before I sign a contract, I ask questions. In this kind of situation, I only use my sick days when I must...and so far, haven't used any at my current gig (they also accrue from year to year, so I have "saved up" a bunch).
When I worked in a public school in the US, unused sick days were NOT compensated, and I was told to use them or lose them. There was a very solid substitute teacher system in place, and so the "harm" of calling in sick was minimized. I was also told to use them well ahead of time, as using up a bunch of sick days in the last couple of months of the year would "look bad" and would effect my renewal chances....
It isn't a Korea/not Korea thing, it is a differences in the workplace thing, and it would be a good idea to do some research and ask some questions, no matter where you are, before making assumptions and screwing yourself or others over. |
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Zulethe

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sick leave: Use it or lose it? |
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Senior wrote: |
Zulethe wrote: |
Ok, well I'm down to a month and a half left until the end of my contract. I've never taken any sick days.
To me, sick days are a benefit that if not used, one should be compensated for them (at least that's how it worked when I worked for the government in America). |
Haha, entitlement much? No wonder the States are bankrupt.
You signed a contract. Why didn't you ask to be compensated for them during contract negotiations?
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Here, there is no compensation if one doesn't use one's sick days. I'm vacillating between taking some three day weekends really soon or being the dedicated teacher until the end.
thoughts? |
If you can justify it to yourself, I would say "Go ahead."
I took a sick day last week for an incredibly minor skin complaint. It gave me plenty of time to go see the dermatologist, and part of the reason for the symptoms is stress from my rat bag students. So I could square that away in my mind OK.
I would feel guilty just taking a sick day if I was feeling fine. But, if you don't have any apprehensions about it, you should take a day off here and there, if you want to. |
Yeah, entitled to what's in my contract! If I were a boss of a private company and I had a worker say to me: "I'll never take a sick day if you compensate me for those days."
I'd say heck yeah I'll pay you. Productivity wouldn't be lost because a worker who suddenly doesn't show up for work hurts productivity much more than one who plans time off or receives compensation for time.
More to the story though. My second school, where I teach twice a week, hasn't been the best to me. On top of that, I teach a sixth grade class on Mondays that I wish would just disappear from this planet.
Ok, let's see....Monday the 14th...I feel a headache coming on....Monday the 21st...I forecast a serious sinus infection. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Senior wrote: |
jvalmer wrote: |
Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
They are in your contract. So no, not a privilege they are a right. However, you have to accept the consequences if you are caught misusing them. |
If we had a true free market without teacher's unions, which NETs piggy back on, there would be no sick days. Who really needs 12 sick days in a year, after all? For most hagwons, the free market has chosen and you get 3 sick days with a bonus if they are not taken. |
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jiberish

Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I faught to get sick days in my contract. Never used any = / |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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nukeday wrote: |
Senior wrote: |
jvalmer wrote: |
Wow, bunch of lazy guys here. You guys do realize sick days are a privilege, not a right? If you aren't really sick don't use them. |
They are in your contract. So no, not a privilege they are a right. However, you have to accept the consequences if you are caught misusing them. |
If we had a true free market without teacher's unions, which NETs piggy back on, there would be no sick days. Who really needs 12 sick days in a year, after all? For most hagwons, the free market has chosen and you get 3 sick days with a bonus if they are not taken. |
I was about to get pissed off at you for bringing this stuff up in the Jobs Forum. But you are right. I don't have an opinion either way (more is always better in these situations) but 3 days with the option of having them payed out would suit me great. It's a shame that unions force us to submit to a one size fits all template. Without them, people would be freer to negotiate their own terms. But, we shouldn't talk about that stuff here.  |
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ippy
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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dont use them unless youre sick. Honestly i come from the same place as you, i reckon you should be using 1 good sick day per term just to keep your sanity. Saving them though to the end, seems a bit more cynical and something i cant get behind. If you didnt use them then and you dont feel a psychological need to use them now (other than theyre there and burning a hole in your attendance sheet), then id advise you to eat it up and turn up to school. Kids are fun anyway, and unless you have a major trip planned, what you gonna do except sitting around in your undies browsing the net.
I know it sounds lame but you shouldnt really use sick days to get the most advantage for yourself, sure take one off, maybe two if youre feeling really sick of the place, but more than that and honestly, youre a bit of a 'hole.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Not only that but the more the NETS take sick days...the less we are likely to have.
EPIK used to offer 15 sick days. Largely due to people taking lots of sick days they pared that down to 11. I could see it dropping all the way to three if people start abusing it. Or zero as it is not a labor law issue anymore. |
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