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Subway: Trying to Exit Train is Not Easy
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questionmark



Joined: 11 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Subway: Trying to Exit Train is Not Easy Reply with quote

Why do people try to get into the subway car when you are trying to get out?
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just keep a heads up and stand up and move to the door before the train stops. Don't be afraid to be a little aggressive, everyone else is.
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daskalos



Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DorkothyParker wrote:
Just keep a heads up and stand up and move to the door before the train stops. Don't be afraid to be a little aggressive, everyone else is.


In my experience in Korea recently, it's only a few elderly people who don't get the concept who are the problem. But it's not really a problem. Every time the subways stops, someone, presumably the operator of the train, is watching to make sure the whole ingress/egress evolution has finished before closing the doors and starting the train.

Aside from the few elderly people who are given a pass, the rest of the Koreans, in my experience, line up behind the foot marks on the platforms and wait for the train to disgorge those leaving.

I would suggest that anyone who has a real issue with this is facing subway travel for the first time. In my experience, it's not all that different anywhere in the world, and in fact is generally more orderly here. But yes, you do have to be sort of insistent, you may have to bump into people or touch them on your way in or out.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Subway: Trying to Exit Train is Not Easy Reply with quote

questionmark wrote:
Why do people try to get into the subway car when you are trying to get out?


This relates to a lot of etiquette regarding modern advances. Things like subways were introduced rapidly, without a culture of etiquette for using it developing with it. Observe driving, elevators, etc.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's another random people movement thing where they just all unpredictably compete for physical space with no general rules of movement. It's like when approaching people head on, they usually veer to the left, then right, and left again where they can't keep a straight predictable line even with the available room nor know to walk to your right in countries that drive on the right side. Exiting a subway often requires some passive aggressive exiting where you don't stop, say excuse me, nor try to step around them, because they don't give you room nor excuse you for being in their way as they try to board a train before you can free up their room by getting off. Also, few seem to know when to yield and often change their mind after you began crossing in their path, be it a car, bike, or person. Even in uncrowded situations where there is plenty of room, they will almost always get too close, change direction unpredictably, perhaps collide, and come off as arrogant rude fools trying to get in your way just to annoy you. People are usually inconsiderate and even phobic, but will usually change their footing and action unpredictably just to seemingly make it a little more uncomfortable for you. Annoyingly so. If they were actually friendly or comfortable with the situation, then they wouldn't act so rude.
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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I get this immature urge to go and cut in front of every old person who cuts in front of me, and to walk really slowly right in front of them, being as wide as possible. But that slows me down too much.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just old people, and it is not just subways. It's elevators, regular doors, etc.

It's mentioned in cultural books and global business books. It's simply something the culture lacks for the most part: Spacial awareness/proximity bubbles.
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detourne_me



Joined: 26 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh, this morning i was standing at the door to get off and a younger kid kinda slides his shoulder in front of mine like he wanted to get off first.
being early morning the cars were nearly empty, I did a full victorian bow, unfurling my hand "After you, your majesty!"
kid felt embarrassed, i chuckled afterwards. good times.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
will usually change their footing and action unpredictably just to seemingly make it a little more uncomfortable for you.


...And try to appear entirely innocent throughout the whole process!
... . The old cut-you-off and then slow down to hold you up..or shoulder-check while staring into space. Followed by dramatic expressions of surprise and victimhood if you return the favour. Laughing
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Epik_Teacher



Joined: 28 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a while I just quit caring about what they think, I just plow thru them. Even if it means bumping them out of the way. How the hell can they get on a subway car when people are trying to get off? I also don't let ajuma's cut in front of me, either. I take very little BS in public anymore.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't get upset, just plow right through. the people that do that just don't realize anyone is going to get off the train seeing as how so many people just mill about the door of the train.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:
don't get upset, just plow right through. the people that do that just don't realize anyone is going to get off the train seeing as how so many people just mill about the door of the train.


THIS!!! It's annoying getting on a subway car with space for standing in front of the seats, but no 99% of the people are standing in front of the doors.

The other thing is, especially with older people, they want to get on quickly to nab any free seats.

If someone sticks their hand out to shove you out of the way to get on while you are trying to get off, shake their hand, haha!
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daskalos wrote:

I would suggest that anyone who has a real issue with this is facing subway travel for the first time. In my experience, it's not all that different anywhere in the world, and in fact is generally more orderly here. But yes, you do have to be sort of insistent, you may have to bump into people or touch them on your way in or out.


Where in the world have you experienced the same?

I'm from New York City. While the odor and homeless problem is practically non-existent in Seoul, I find it difficult to believe that you think the shoving is on par with anywhere else. At the peak of rush hour Kiev, Austria, Moscow, Tokyo, and NYC are all better. Seoul is more like a live hockey game even in the off hours
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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just gave up trying to move around people as I'm attempting to disembark. Square your shoulders and just crunch people, its better and you feel awesome afterwards.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

exiting a subway is easy,

Exiting YOU GET THE MIDDLE,

Entering YOU GET THE OUTSIDES

If people re in my way, old young, I dont care I just plow my way through.

if you are old then you should be old enough to know that people get OFF a subway before you get on, thats the way of things. Smile
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