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eleruen

Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: Bundang, South Korea

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: USA vs England match..where to watch?

We want to watch the USA vs England match tonight but want to avoid Itaewon...things might get nasty with the soldiers around. Does any one know a pub/bar, foreign or Korean, other than in Itaewon, that is showing this match for sure? (at 3.30am tonight)?

bushell1212

Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Location: Bucheon - South Korea

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: Eng v US

hi, I know you want to avoid Itaewon but I wouldn't worry about it as US forces have a 3am curfew so won't be out for the game anyway. There will be plenty of English around and U.S fans as well, and I'm sure we will all get along well and you should come and enjoy the atmosphere. We will be in Sam Ryans as probably the best atmosphere and most screens to watch the game on

sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject:

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things might get nasty with the soldiers around.

Americans don't care about soccer as much as you are assuming by this post.

DeMayonnaise

Joined: 02 Nov 2008

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:21 am Post subject:

sojusucks wrote:

Quote:

things might get nasty with the soldiers around.

Americans don't care about soccer as much as you are assuming by this post.

The Wolfhound was an awesome place to watch the game last night. GI Joe had to go home, and the place was packed with I'd guess 2/3 Americans and 1/3 English, with a few indiferent Canadians and some Irish complaining about the French. Awesome atmosphere with both sides cheering on their team, without any shenanigans.

Judging by how many Americans came out with American flags, I think we care more about soccer than people think.

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:25 am Post subject:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

DeMayonnaise

Joined: 02 Nov 2008

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:30 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

Sure it is. In '94 it wasn't, but it's naive to say it isn't popular today. It's not the number 1 sport in the US, but still pretty damn popular. Just wait til we host the World Cup again in 2022...it's going to be crazy.

eleruen

Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: Bundang, South Korea

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject:

thanks guys for the info

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

Uh, I beg to differ. Soccer is popular as a participatory sport in the U.S. (and it's good that it is, otherwise Americans would be even fatter than now, as if that's possible). The 1994 World Cup was successful in the U.S., but for the most part, the sport's popularity didn't improve all that much.

I will say, however, that soccer is getting more popular in the U.S. but I still don't see it coming close to the other major sports. The most I'll expect is is "Hey, so who won the World Cup?"

I'm also thinking the U.S. will get neither bid. England will probably get 2018 and Korea has a good chance to get 2022.

conrad2

Joined: 05 Nov 2009

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:11 am Post subject:

[quote="Yaya"]

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

I'm also thinking the U.S. will get neither bid. England will probably get 2018 and Korea has a good chance to get 2022.

A European country will get the 2018 bid. Korea in 2022??? No way. You think it will come back to Korea before it goes back to the US? The stadiums were half empty the last time around in Korea, and they only had half the games. If it comes back to Asia in 2022, it will probably be China.

uklathemock

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

In terms of participation, a ton of kids play in the AYSO. There's a reason we call them "soccer moms."

However, there are a few major problems:
1. commercials - the game continues until the half. It doesn't give broadcasters a chance to blast commercials like in other sports.
2. time slots - when would you air football/soccer games? Between NFL games? After baseball?
3. no replay - except baseball which may soon have it as well, Americans are accustomed to replays to get the calls right.

I hope it gains popularity though. I think Rajon Rondo would be an awesome striker. Lebron with his size and quickness might make a great goalie.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject:

[quote="conrad2"]

Yaya wrote:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

I'm also thinking the U.S. will get neither bid. England will probably get 2018 and Korea has a good chance to get 2022.

England hasn't had the World Cup since 1966 so they are overdue. And I've talked to the head of the KFA and he says Korea has a good chance because it's hosted the event before, has 12 cities with stadiums and cutting-edge communication infrastructure and other requirements.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject:

sweetbejebus wrote:

The US has a number of advantages that should make them a finalist in the bidding:

A) modern ready-made stadia that can seat well over 60,000-70,000 fans plus a ton of luxury boxes. No other country comes close to what we have to offer in this respect. That's more money for everyone.
B) the infrastructure is already there. there won't be any labor disputes holding up the construction of roads, hotels, etc.
C) football (soccer) has become much more popular in the States. Obviously it won't be at the NFL/MLB/NBA level, but there's 300 million potential fans just waiting to be tapped, and unlike China/India, the vast majority have no allegiance to a particular club. I can imagine a lot of big name clubs wanting to put their players on US soil and making lifelong fans.

Basically, if FIFA and the regional federations want money and less headaches with labor, the US is it.

The lifelong fans thing is a pipe dream. The North American Soccer League tried to get Americans into soccer in the 70s and failed miserably. I remember reading a U.S. News and World Report story predicting Americans would catch soccer fever with the U.S. hosting the 1994 World Cup. Uh, that never happened.

Major League Soccer is bearable at best (I watched L.A. Galaxy games when I lived in that horrendous city) but because of many factors, not the least of which is horrible officiating that the idiots at FIFA don't seem to want to fix, I don't see soccer rivaling the four major sports in the U.S.

DeMayonnaise

Joined: 02 Nov 2008

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject:

[quote="Yaya"]

conrad2 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

I'm also thinking the U.S. will get neither bid. England will probably get 2018 and Korea has a good chance to get 2022.

Haha, the head of the KFA. OF COURSE he's going to say Korea has a great chance. He's also going to say Seoul is the most beautiful city in the world, Koreans are the healthiest people in the world and kimchi cures cancer.

Korea WILL NOT get the world cup in 2022. No f-ing way. You don't think the US has 12 soccer stadiums, cutting-edge communication and other requirements? For argument's sake, let's look at the smaller Korean cities that would host the world cup: Cheonan, Daegu, Goyang, Jeonju, Ulsan. Who wants to go there? Despite being huge populations, there ain't much to offer in those places. Plus, they're basically all the same ugly cities.
Now let's check out some of the smaller US cities: Phoenix, Tampa, Kansas City, Nashville, San Diego. Each in a different climate and different part of the country. Each has something unique to offer. Each can handle a huge influx of visitors no problem. Each has a huge stadium.

You know what the difference between soccer in the 70s, 1994 and now is? I'll give you a hint. It's where you are right now...the internet. Americans can watch more soccer on TV, including the premiership, champions league and the world cup which they couldn't in 1994.

If (when) the US hosts in 2022, the country would go mad over it. Every ticket would be sold, everyone on TV would be talking about it, and it would be the single biggest money making world cup ever. The 21 venues have an average capacity of 77,000, and none seat fewer than 65,000. Seven of the stadiums seat at least 80,000. FIFA would be downright retarded to not have it in the US in 2022.

But the kicker. US last hosted in 1994 (28 year gap). Korea hosted in 2002 (20 year gap). It's not coming back to Korea so soon.

Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject:

[quote="DeMayonnaise"]

Yaya wrote:

conrad2 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Only because we're in such close contact with other expats. Back home it isn't a big deal.

I'm also thinking the U.S. will get neither bid. England will probably get 2018 and Korea has a good chance to get 2022.

The KFA chief also described WHY he thought Korea would get it and he was convincing. I'm not saying the U.S. WON'T get it but Korea does have a good chance at 2022.

Sorry dude, but your projection that a U.S.-hosted World Cup would be the biggest in history is just your opinion. I'm sure soccer has gained more interest in the U.S. since 1994, but still not that much. You still have MANY American sports fans saying they'd rather watch paint dry than watch a soccer game.

I'm not doubting that the U.S. has a good chance but South Korea also has one, too. Let's see in December when the 2018 and 2022 host countries will be decided.

b-class rambler

Joined: 25 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject:

DeMayonnaise wrote:

But the kicker. US last hosted in 1994 (28 year gap). Korea hosted in 2002 (20 year gap). It's not coming back to Korea so soon.

Not an argument without any merit to it, but there are plenty of counter points to consider too.

Korea only co-hosted in 2002 so they could argue they've never had a chance to do it all by themselves. (Same point obviously applies to Japan too) Mexico got it again in 1986 after only a 16 year gap, so there is a precedent for it going back to a country after a shortish period of time.

Also, there are other countries who've never had the World Cup before who many would expect to have a stronger chance than the USA - Russia and Australia. It's also been reported that FIFA officials are quite impressed with Qatar's bid.

Personally, I'm not convinced Korea will get it in 2022. But I'm no more convinced the USA bid will be successful either.

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