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t-hype



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Studying Chinese in Seoul Reply with quote

Has anybody studied Chinese in Seoul at a hagwon?

I dropped by Pagoda and Sisa in Gangnam to inquire about classes. (I'm pretty low level and only know about 200 characters.)

Both places said their lower levels are taught in Korean. My Korean ability is about the same as my Chinese so I'm wondering if I'll be ok. Sad
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can easily find a Korean Chinese to teach you Chinese for like 10,000 won per hour for a private lesson. Or advertise that you need a Chinese tutor at the international departments of universities or something.
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t-hype



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at this point, i'd prefer a classroom environment.

thanks, tho.
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jomiro



Joined: 10 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

id say thats very difficult to find.
after all.. the majority of people wanting to learn chinese are koreans. therefore the classes are in korean.

you can try find study groups online. but then again, i wouldnt know where to look.

best bet would be for you to actually get some books and study yourself. i think there are some korean books that teach chinese, but also have english translation to their texts and vocabularies. maybe theres even books that teach chinese in english. you gotta look.

but i think those two options are all youve got. since you know some chinese already, it shouldnt be that difficult.

good luck!
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it also better to only be able to use Chinese?
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jomiro wrote:
id say thats very difficult to find.
after all.. the majority of people wanting to learn chinese are koreans. therefore the classes are in korean.


I looked and couldn't find anything in English. I ended up finding a friend of a friend who teaches Chinese to teach me. Got a very reasonable deal as well.
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plato's republic



Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you thought about looking for a language cafe? I studied Korean at one of those places around three years ago. The teachers were all volunteers, and you could choose either private or group lessons. They offered classes in Korean, Spanish, Japanese, French, Chinese and Russian from what I remember. I paid 4,000 won for a two hour private lesson once a week. It was a good experience overall and I managed to pick up a fair amount within the nine or so months that I studied there. I don't remember the name of the place, but it was a five minute walk from Ewha station. Try Google, or perhaps a search on here.

Best of luck!
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t-hype



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm. a language cafe sounds cool even if it was only as backup to my actual lessons... not too familiar with the ewha area tho but i'll try to google it...

i'm leaning pretty heavily toward pagoda in gangnam but i'm totally open to other (and cheaper) options. ^__^
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Isn't it also better to only be able to use Chinese?


For a beginner? I doubt it.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
Yaya wrote:
Isn't it also better to only be able to use Chinese?


For a beginner? I doubt it.


And you're a language expert? Don't think so.

It might prove difficult at first but when you have no other option than to use the target language, it can result in faster and more effective learning. I knew this one Greek guy who was in the same Korean class as I was who said his Korean greatly improved outside of the classroom after he got a girlfriend who could speak Korean only.

Migrant workers in Korea can't afford Korean classes but many speak Korean WAY BETTER than people who take classes.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
samd wrote:
Yaya wrote:
Isn't it also better to only be able to use Chinese?


For a beginner? I doubt it.


And you're a language expert? Don't think so.

It might prove difficult at first but when you have no other option than to use the target language, it can result in faster and more effective learning. I knew this one Greek guy who was in the same Korean class as I was who said his Korean greatly improved outside of the classroom after he got a girlfriend who could speak Korean only.

Migrant workers in Korea can't afford Korean classes but many speak Korean WAY BETTER than people who take classes.


You're comparing apples and oranges.

A migrant worker who spends all day using Korean at his workplace is going to learn the language. That's obvious, and is a totally different proposition to an English teacher who doesn't speak Chinese trying to learn Chinese in Chinese a couple of hours a week.

Student: What does this mean?

Teacher: 狂牛病

Student: ???

Immersion doesn't work a couple of hours a week. It works for those who are actually immersed, like migrant workers.

Beginning to learn a foreign language part time totally in that langauge is inefficient. You'd learn much faster with someone to explain things in your native tongue.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, Yaya is correct. Of course, to Aussies and Brits that have never learned another language (and in my opinion, generally suck at doing so) it may seem like it's not possible to learn 'from immersion'.

It is.

Wow, weird that, foreign teachers that speak no Korean are thrown into hagwon classes each day, teaching students that know no English, and somehow those kids learn.

If you, as a teacher, believe that the students' native language is necessary for them to learn a foreign language then you don't know how to teach, not to sound like a tw@t or anything, but it's true.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
No, Yaya is correct. Of course, to Aussies and Brits that have never learned another language (and in my opinion, generally suck at doing so) it may seem like it's not possible to learn 'from immersion'.

It is.

Wow, weird that, foreign teachers that speak no Korean are thrown into hagwon classes each day, teaching students that know no English, and somehow those kids learn.

If you, as a teacher, believe that the students' native language is necessary for them to learn a foreign language then you don't know how to teach, not to sound like a tw@t or anything, but it's true.


Thanks for the insults. Thanks also for not reading my post properly.

I didn't say that learning by immersion is impossible, I said that it would be inefficient for a beginner studying a foreign language part-time to do so.

If you take a beginner who studies Chinese 9 hours a week without a work of English, and then take the same person and let them learn in their own language, I think the guy who can is actually being told what things mean will learn much faster for a while.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
metalhead wrote:
No, Yaya is correct. Of course, to Aussies and Brits that have never learned another language (and in my opinion, generally suck at doing so) it may seem like it's not possible to learn 'from immersion'.

It is.

Wow, weird that, foreign teachers that speak no Korean are thrown into hagwon classes each day, teaching students that know no English, and somehow those kids learn.

If you, as a teacher, believe that the students' native language is necessary for them to learn a foreign language then you don't know how to teach, not to sound like a tw@t or anything, but it's true.


Thanks for the insults. Thanks also for not reading my post properly.

I didn't say that learning by immersion is impossible, I said that it would be inefficient for a beginner studying a foreign language part-time to do so.

If you take a beginner who studies Chinese 9 hours a week without a work of English, and then take the same person and let them learn in their own language, I think the guy who can is actually being told what things mean will learn much faster for a while.


First off, you're correct - my reply was not in-sync as such to what you said in your post, I realized that after I hit the submit button, but decided to let it stand as I still feel what I said is correct.

I mean, a lot of these hagwon students study English for less than nine hours a week, and they seem to be doing fine. I never spoke Afrikaans outside of school, or heard it really, yet my three hours a week taught entirely in Afrikaans still ensured that I could speak and understand it.

I can speak pretty good Chinese, I didn't have any English used when I was learning it though (to be fair, I was living in Taiwan at the time so was somewhat fully immersed).

Have you done a CELTA course? There is a lesson where the teacher proves that you don't need your native language used to learn how to speak another language. Again, you are wrong, Yaya is right - if kids can learn another language without their native tongue used, then surely you can, too (unless you severely doubt your capabilities or something, which is entirely possible, and in that case, I am sorry - for you, of course).
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t-hype



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some acquaintances of mine were living here with their toddler son. they had been sending him to a korean nursery while they both worked. they were beginning to worry about his english language development because he preferred korean, the language he was listening to 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. such is the wonder of childhood. i've worked in a public school with about 500 koreans 40 hours a week for the past two years and have inherited nothing of the sort! lol.

as for immersion, i happen to think chinese is one of the languages that an english learner with dictionary in hand could suffer through an immersion class with little ill effect because the grammar is so similar to english. korean on the other hand is an ENTIRELY different story as the grammar has nothing in common with english.

(i spent my first few months of korean study with teachers who didn't speak english and books written completely in korean ---> FAIL.)

at any rate, i took a "level test" with pagoda over the phone yesterday. planning to register today. i'll keep you posted...
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