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df1983
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
Location: Pyongtaek, Korea
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 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
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salgichawa
Joined: 18 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Hi There,
Those two things done together might end up excluding you.
If I were you I would visit the embassy in Thailand to sort it out. If you want to be considered you could visit I am not sure they will have the final say.
The problem I see is that to them you are still registered with a visa. As far as your employer and immigration are concerned you should have showed up for work.
All you can do is try but EPIK have said in their contracts in the past that doing this to them can affect your future employment in Korea. In terms of their employment you will just have to apply and take your chances. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Your ARC is a non issue as long as you don't return (or apply for a visa) before its expiry (assuming you had a valid re-entry or multi-entry visa (American).
If you did not have re-entry privileges then it is moot since your visa would have been canceled on your exit and your ARC is nothing more than a souvenir.
Can you apply for EPIK = YES with the proviso that you cannot use the job you ran from as "experience" (your application would be refused for breaking the contract and pulling a runner).
This is of course assuming that it was a hakwon that you pulled the runner from and not a PS position.
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df1983
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
Location: Pyongtaek, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: Hagwon |
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| Yea, it was a hagwon. Not a public school position. I won't do another hagwon. I am teaching in a Thai public school now and I wouldn't do another private school in Korea. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon |
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| Yea, it was a hagwon. Not a public school position. I won't do another hagwon. I am teaching in a Thai public school now and I wouldn't do another private school in Korea. |
I seriously doubt that immigration even keeps records on midnight runners. What immigration cares about is if you did something illegal when you were in Korea. As far as the ARC goes I would definately go to the embassy in Thailand, the most they might want to do is fine you and you would at least get that out of the way. If you ran from a public school job you wouldn't be able to get another public school position though. Good thing it was a Hogwan. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't turn my ARC in last time either. Never was a problem. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Hagwon |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| df1983 wrote: |
| Yea, it was a hagwon. Not a public school position. I won't do another hagwon. I am teaching in a Thai public school now and I wouldn't do another private school in Korea. |
I seriously doubt that immigration even keeps records on midnight runners. What immigration cares about is if you did something illegal when you were in Korea. As far as the ARC goes I would definately go to the embassy in Thailand, the most they might want to do is fine you and you would at least get that out of the way. If you ran from a public school job you wouldn't be able to get another public school position though. Good thing it was a Hogwan. |
I've always thought you are pretty much barred from getting an E2 again. The reason being that the employer can complain to immigration now to get you black listed. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Hagwon |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| df1983 wrote: |
| Yea, it was a hagwon. Not a public school position. I won't do another hagwon. I am teaching in a Thai public school now and I wouldn't do another private school in Korea. |
I seriously doubt that immigration even keeps records on midnight runners. What immigration cares about is if you did something illegal when you were in Korea. As far as the ARC goes I would definately go to the embassy in Thailand, the most they might want to do is fine you and you would at least get that out of the way. If you ran from a public school job you wouldn't be able to get another public school position though. Good thing it was a Hogwan. |
I've always thought you are pretty much barred from getting an E2 again. The reason being that the employer can complain to immigration now to get you black listed. |
Nah. Hakwons don't have that kind of pull with immigration. They can lie and file criminal charges but most don't want to go through the hassle.
Messing with the MOE or POE on the other hand... |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Your ARC is a non issue as long as you don't return (or apply for a visa) before its expiry (assuming you had a valid re-entry or multi-entry visa (American).
If you did not have re-entry privileges then it is moot since your visa would have been canceled on your exit and your ARC is nothing more than a souvenir.
Can you apply for EPIK = YES with the proviso that you cannot use the job you ran from as "experience" (your application would be refused for breaking the contract and pulling a runner).
This is of course assuming that it was a hakwon that you pulled the runner from and not a PS position.
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To this end, can you just omit a previous employment experience? I didn't pull a runner; rather I got 11 month'd by a hagwon after lots of sketchy issues through the year, and explaining the whole thing is a hassle. If you aren't asking for a pay increase due to experience, can you just omit a messy former employer to make things easier? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Your ARC is a non issue as long as you don't return (or apply for a visa) before its expiry (assuming you had a valid re-entry or multi-entry visa (American).
If you did not have re-entry privileges then it is moot since your visa would have been canceled on your exit and your ARC is nothing more than a souvenir.
Can you apply for EPIK = YES with the proviso that you cannot use the job you ran from as "experience" (your application would be refused for breaking the contract and pulling a runner).
This is of course assuming that it was a hakwon that you pulled the runner from and not a PS position.
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To this end, can you just omit a previous employment experience? I didn't pull a runner; rather I got 11 month'd by a hagwon after lots of sketchy issues through the year, and explaining the whole thing is a hassle. If you aren't asking for a pay increase due to experience, can you just omit a messy former employer to make things easier? |
yes.
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black spring
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What about if you work for a provincial ministry of education - not as a public school teacher, but rather as a teacher trainer - and give less than the 30 days notice required by contract because you want to change jobs.
If the current job refuses to give a letter of release, and you need to leave the country to get the visa for your new job, do you think it's likely the MOE institution would also go out of the way to get you blacklisted by immigration? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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What about if you work for a provincial ministry of education - not as a public school teacher, but rather as a teacher trainer - and give less than the 30 days notice required by contract because you want to change jobs.
If the current job refuses to give a letter of release, and you need to leave the country to get the visa for your new job, do you think it's likely the MOE institution would also go out of the way to get you blacklisted by immigration? |
No but you likely won't get hired by the government (MOE) again, |
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kcweaver
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Location: Paju City
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| According to Korean law, it is illegal to create a "blacklist". I think the only legitimate reason to keep to not grant a visa is if you committed a crime or you have a pattern of doing runs. One run does not make a pattern. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
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| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Your ARC is a non issue as long as you don't return (or apply for a visa) before its expiry (assuming you had a valid re-entry or multi-entry visa (American).
If you did not have re-entry privileges then it is moot since your visa would have been canceled on your exit and your ARC is nothing more than a souvenir.
Can you apply for EPIK = YES with the proviso that you cannot use the job you ran from as "experience" (your application would be refused for breaking the contract and pulling a runner).
This is of course assuming that it was a hakwon that you pulled the runner from and not a PS position.
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To this end, can you just omit a previous employment experience? I didn't pull a runner; rather I got 11 month'd by a hagwon after lots of sketchy issues through the year, and explaining the whole thing is a hassle. If you aren't asking for a pay increase due to experience, can you just omit a messy former employer to make things easier? |
NO.
Do not omit past employers.
Your resume and employment history is a legal document required to be submitted with your visa application documents. One of Immigration's duties is to verify the accuracy of your documents including your resume. They can easily check this against your employment records on file. If Immigation notices that you've misstated or lied about your employment history, you can be denied a visa and possibly banned permanently.
Why commit fraud when making a visa application?
Better to try to explain your problems to your future employer than to face an Immigration ban. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Coming back if you've pulled a runner |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| df1983 wrote: |
I pulled a runner about 6 months ago but want to come back to Korea when my visa expires at the end of September. It is a long story but I didn't leave because I didn't like Korea.... It was very specific and very sketchy at work. I want to get a public school gig with maybe Epik. Is this possible?
Also, I forgot to turn in my ARC when I left. I know that this isn't good but can I turn it in at a Korean embassy abroad? I am teaching in Thailand for one semester and I can easily get to the embassy in Bangkok. Any info would be appreciated. |
Your ARC is a non issue as long as you don't return (or apply for a visa) before its expiry (assuming you had a valid re-entry or multi-entry visa (American).
If you did not have re-entry privileges then it is moot since your visa would have been canceled on your exit and your ARC is nothing more than a souvenir.
Can you apply for EPIK = YES with the proviso that you cannot use the job you ran from as "experience" (your application would be refused for breaking the contract and pulling a runner).
This is of course assuming that it was a hakwon that you pulled the runner from and not a PS position.
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To this end, can you just omit a previous employment experience? I didn't pull a runner; rather I got 11 month'd by a hagwon after lots of sketchy issues through the year, and explaining the whole thing is a hassle. If you aren't asking for a pay increase due to experience, can you just omit a messy former employer to make things easier? |
NO.
Do not omit past employers.
Your resume and employment history is a legal document required to be submitted with your visa application documents. One of Immigration's duties is to verify the accuracy of your documents including your resume. They can easily check this against your employment records on file. If Immigation notices that you've misstated or lied about your employment history, you can be denied a visa and possibly banned permanently.
Why commit fraud when making a visa application?
Better to try to explain your problems to your future employer than to face an Immigration ban. |
Really? This surprises me not from a legal perspective, but from a resume writing perspective. My resume includes a few schools where I've worked, my education and "other skills." It is my understanding that resumes should generally be 1 page long.
Unless I were to put everything in a size 8 font or list my experiences without any description, it would have to be a two or more page resume. |
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